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kodah was saying we should try something

>I'd encourage anything at this point.

fennecfoxen was advocating that it isnt worth trying something

>You want meaningful reform on anything within 500 miles of this topic from the legislature? Good luck.

The goalposts were clearly moved from if even attempting reform is a waste of time, to having a workable solution

excuse me; i commented on the legislature's allergic reaction to actually making changes to the law in this area, noting the difficulty of the task which you have chosen.

I certainly read that as defeatism. Is there an alternative avenue for reform outside the legislature, independent of how difficult it is?

Legislatures don't want to make any change unless the people want it. People have to demand it.

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