Dismissing someone greavances as "warmongering" will just escalate war.
Source: https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1186488/erdogan-issues-thr...
If Italy wants to complain about Greece violating the treaty, by all means, but why should Turkey, as a non-signatory?
There's also a treaty between Greece and Italy, which stipulates that there will be no army on some islands, the violation of which Italy apparently has no problem with. I don't understand by what right an unrelated third party complains about it, it seems to me about as relevant as Greece complaining about a treaty between Colombia and Brazil.
Soon climate crisis will produce anywhere between 100 million to a billion refugees. Will countries that polluted most take the most?
Imagine you are in charge of a struggling nation, somewhat behind technologically, close to Germany and Italy, during the most destructive war in history.
In that situation, would you be eager to declare war on the axis powers, and condemn your people to suffering?
Even US wasn't keen to get involved untill war came to them - and they had technological parity and protection of the oceans..
You also have to realise that To non-europeans, for example folks in China, Nazi germany didn't look like 'absolute evil', it looked like a yet another war between colonial powers. They had fresh memory of atrocities commited by colonial powers which, to them, were not that different from Nazis's ones.
To them, Europe only cared about europe - when empire of Japan was doing genocide in China, noone cared.
The point is not to agree or disagree with this worldview, but you have to realise that world events don't look the same from dofferent corners.
Not every part of Europe, even that is selective. Atrocities happened in ex-Yugoslavia right under it's nose and inaction, less than 30 years ago.
Who knows if anything would've been done for Ukraine either if it wasn't for their president and people's heroic defense in the first days.
> You also have to realise that To non-europeans, for example folks in China, Nazi germany didn't look like 'absolute evil', it looked like a yet another war between colonial powers.
China land was literally occupied by Japanies who fought on the German side and joined the allies. China fought in that war and lost quite a lot of people in that war.
Ad Turkey: It is one thing to stay aside of genocide far away, it is another thing to demand credit for fighting genocide when it is clear who won.
> The point is not to agree or disagree with this worldview, but you have to realise that world events don't look the same from dofferent corners.
Those other corners don't get to lie about places away from them or history while ranking up own aggression.
This is pot / kettle black. It's not like none of this happens over here.
If you open a typical British or US history textbook, it omits or glances over most of the atrocious and dark parts of it's history.
As a result most population is unaware of their scale, or sometimes unaware of them at all. That's how you get false narratives in politics, usually nationalist ones. In my experience a typical brexit supporting person has never heard of half the stuff that was going on in the colonies.
That does not mean it is suddenly honorable when Turkey do it right now. Or that we have to accept similar behavior from everyone else without pointing it out.
[1]: https://twitter.com/GreeceMFA/status/1534867984476516354
Politicians on either side of the aegean have failed their people misserably and are apparently turning to nationalism/hatred for political gain.
I wish this is understood by both countries (yet I do not expect it...)
In the Greek side there hasn't been a single populist "call to arms" by any political party. Greece is not the one that would start an incident, since it's against it's interests and it's advised to remain calm by the media. Recently the Greek PM responded to Erdogan's previous petty statements [1] with just "we are neighbours, we always need to talk, and we always want to keep channels of communication open". Overall their responses in the media are mild and far from nationalistic.
[1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/turkeys-erdogan-says-greek-pm-... [2]: https://www.amna.gr/en/article/649386/PM-Mitsotakis-If-Erdog...
[1]: https://twitter.com/RTErdogan/status/1534954757713960962
I don't think the expression of a political perception is a thing that is problematic. What is problematic is when it becomes polemic. Anybody who knows the region an has been in Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Macedonia knows that there is a lot of conflict potential in that region which hardcore nationalists on all sides of geographic and language borders. All while they share a lot of common culture in terms of food, music (although every side claims they have been the ones inventing it).
My own perception as someone who has been in the region is that Turkish nationalism is indeed stronger and more visible than e.g. Greek or Bulgarian nationalism, but maybe I just have not been to the right regions in my 20+ trips to Greece.
For that matter I like Turkey as well. They have incredible subcultures, Istanbul is a great city, or the beautiful lake Adana with it's kind people.
I myself come from a region with strong tendecies of border disputes (Austrian-Slowenian-Italian border) and I am truly aware of how impossible and stupid it can be to draw a political border into an area where you have two or more minorities on each sides, because in daily lives and in lived culture those people are closer to each other than to the "great" nations that have an interest in marking these borders boldly.
Saying nothing in face of conflict can be just as political as saying something.
The issue here is that this is a fairly benign and interesting story, but this person has used it as an opportunity to air a grievance on something which, to be honest, doesn't seem related other than occurring in roughly the same area. Tangents are fine IMO if they're "if you liked that story, check this...", but if they're just trying to shoe-horn in a rant about some provocative issue that could be crossing the line
And it's a good thing I explicitly said political talk was fine, otherwise someone might think you were calling me an "idiot", right? :D
Heated comments aren't flagged and downvoted, but unpopular ones are. HN just has a very unique profile of what it considers unpopular opinions that aren't the same as American political issues. There are plenty of downvote squads who will mass-flag submissions they don't like. The comments on such submissions will often be even-headed discussions with a wide range of views represented, all the while the sub is going from flagged to vouched over and over.
It's jusy mob mentality of Marz=Communism=(evil or usefull idiot)
Very few people know that Marx himself was puzzled as to why his book became so popular in Russia, and how little his writing has in common with ideology thay followed
The Greek MFA makes some good points about the threat of Turkish incursions, but I wish they'd be less hypocritical about it.