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Of course, but as you should know by know, nothing is ever innovative, revolutionary or even noteworthy if it doesn't come from Apple. At least as far as DF and "tech" sites like it are concerned.

I find this particularly ironic, given that Google TV with the Market (and apps like Al Jazeera that do exactly what the article describes) came out today. There isn't even a mention of this anywhere on his site.

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I think the gist of DF et al isn't that no one ever does it until Apple does it, but that no one ever does it right until Apple does it. Which I find myself agreeing with about ~70% of the time. Apple is rarely first or on the cutting edge, spec-wise, but they're almost always 2-10 years ahead of everyone else in terms of UX.

Well of course you are right about that, but I don't think that's the gist of it. Not entirely. There's also the insistence that where Apple was first or on the cutting edge, it is a mortal sin for others to copy. That's the ugly part. That's the dissonance I see when reading these sites.

Here is a riddle: Why is that the case? Could it be because no one cares about Google TV? Hm? Maybe that’s the reason?

Ability means nothing. Apple is where it is because its products actually work with consumers. That’s the nut Apple (and Google) has to crack. The big picture matters (Maybe apps on the TV is the right answer?) and details matter (What kind of content can you get?).

All your talk about ideas and ability won’t help there.

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