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Ford, like GM, has a literal camera monitoring the driver's face so they can see if they are paying attention. Seeing what your face is doing is a much more reliable system of measuring attention than whether or not the driver is touching the steering wheel while reading their book.

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Doesn't Tesla have that too? Not that I trust Elonbois with a camera looking into my car, but hey, maybe someone will offer to buy me a horse...

No. See https://electrek.co/2021/01/20/tiktok-star-criminally-tesla-...

Edit: Sorry, I should have said _mostly no_.

Last year they pushed an update to use the built-in cabin camera installed in 2021+ cars for "driver attentiveness."

Compared to Ford and Cadillac's IR-illuminated driver attentiveness cameras pointed straight at your eyeballs and can see through sunglasses and works in the dark, the wide-angle cabin camera may not even see your face if you wear a hat, certainly _does not_ have a clear view of your pupils, and doesn't work in the dark or if you have dark glasses on.

https://electrek.co/2021/05/27/tesla-releases-driver-monitor...

https://electrek.co/2021/04/08/tesla-driver-monitoring-syste...

Yes. See https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-interior-cameras-dr...

Tesla's isn't good enough to replace wheel torque as an attention monitor, and they don't even pretend to (still requires wheel torque to keep FSD/autopilot enganged.)

In particular, it has terrible night vision and no IR illumination so it can't see you well enough at night to work.

A some older Model S/X vehicles with Autopilot 2.0 hardware lacked driver-facing cameras, but modern ones, along with all Model 3/Y have them.

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