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Even if we assume that Wozniak was much more essential than Jobs, the fact is that Jobs persuaded Wozniak to do the startup in the first place. And if I recall correctly from the biography by Isaacson, it took quite a bit of convincing on Jobs' part to get Woz to leave his secure job at HP.

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You're right it did take a lot of convincing and hustling. It didn't take product vision from Jobs to make the Apple II a success however. Look at all the products Jobs tried to produce through his "vision," they all failed until the iPod.

The Apple II would not have had a keyboard or power supply without Jobs' vision though.

You're probably right that it wasn't the design aesthetic that counted, but Jobs' customer focus was still very important.

It's highly likely that without Jobs, we wouldn't have had the awesome velcro that holds the top cover of an Apple II closed.

For those that haven't had the privilege, first move the monitor and Disk II units off, then grasp the back of the top cover of the Apple II, and lift up. There will be a ripping of Velcro.

It's surprising that no one else ever seemed to copy this, and not something that'd ever occurred to me until now.

What about iMac?

Yeh without Jobs Excessive attention to details I doubt many of the products of recent would be as well recieved by the customers are they were.

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