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>Yes, most (all?) land belongs to countries.

But countries are more than land. It's not that Ukrainian land was part of USSR - the Ukrainian nation was part of USSR. Same with Russian nation.

>The program is a Russian effort and the result was a Russian rocket.

No, that's the point: the program was Soviet, and the result was a Soviet rocket. Russia was just one part of that. And if you look at the last two decades, you'll see what while Ukraine was able to build a functioning country, Russia failed to achieve anything apart from selling out what's left by USSR and oil/gas extraction using foreign-bought technologies.

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What exactly was functioning in the Ukraine?

Russia has built new types of aircraft, new rocket, new nuclear icebreakers and power stations, its own internet search engine that can stand up to Google, and what not.

Stop learning about the world through BBC.

>Russia has built new types of aircraft, new rocket

This would be a valid argument six months ago. Now we know those "new types of aircraft" were vaporware, and missiles work really fine only if you can claim that a random barn is a valid military target. Some of the things that did materialize - like the new military telecom system - turned out to be rebranded Chinese products.

>new nuclear icebreakers

Which were co-developed with Ukraine. Btw, do you know Russia's only aircraft carrier was literally stolen from Ukraine?

>its own internet search engine

This one is actually true, but on the other hand Ukraine had wider success with Whatsapp.

Oh, please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100#Russified_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irkut_MC-21

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angara_(rocket_family)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_22220_icebreaker

"Which were co-developed with Ukraine."

Of course they weren't.

"Ukraine had wider success with Whatsapp"

WhatsApp was created by two American programmers, one of whom is Jewish and was born in the Ukraine. If you insists that WhatsApp is Ukrainian software, please count Google as Russian, because Sergei Brin is of Russian origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhatsApp

Not to mention that Korolev, “von Braun of the Soviet space program”, was Ukrainian.

Korolev was born in the Ukrainian SSR and let me quote wiki [0]:

"His father, Pavel Yakovlevich Korolev, was born in Mogilev to a Russian soldier and a Belarusian mother. His mother, Maria Nikolaevna Koroleva (Moskalenko/Bulanina), was a daughter of a wealthy merchant from the city of Nezhin (now Nizhyn, Ukraine), with Ukrainian, Greek and Polish heritage."

There is something very indecent in talking about nationality or ethnicity of great people as if it really matters. Please stop it, okay?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev#Early_life

>There is something very indecent in talking about nationality or ethnicity of great people as if it really matters.

You do realize that this thread started with you misappropriating Soviet achievements to Russia?

Of course, rocket built in Russia 25 years after the USSR dissolution is Russian rocket even if it's an upgraded version [0] of Soviet design.

And there is nothing about people, nationality or ethnicity in my comment, just the name of country which built and launched the rocket.

[0] http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz2_lv.html

Isn’t this “rocket built in Russia” not just a technological refresh of the one built in USSR?

Also, can’t help but notice it’s neither modern (when you compare with eg SpaceX) or very successful.

What is the point you are trying to make?

The BBC journalists uttered neither 'Russian' nor 'Soviet', and arguing that a rocket made in Russia 25 years after the fall of the Soviet Union cannot be called 'Russian rocket' is just silly.

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