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I’m rather disappointed in 12th Gen for mobile. I have a AMD 5800h Lenovo laptop and a 12700 Dell. The dell stutters, fans spin, etc. the Lenovo is just rock solid and fast. Never stutters or slows down. Fans spin up only when playing games.

I wish framework would do an AMD laptop. But Linus put them in touch with AMD and they done nothing.

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Building a new laptop from scratch is time-taking and costly. So Framework may rightly be spending their time on optimising product, reducing cost and reaching more countries.

Linus said he put them in touch and they haven't even spoken to each other. It's going to take time, but they aren't even engaging at the moment...

No, Linus said he put them in touch, and then Linus didn't hear anything.

You're right, just looked up the transcript.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc922ntnKM

> source community an amd variant might be

> a way around this but in spite of me

> making introductions nearly a year ago i

> haven't received any update from either

> side so consider this a public call out

small companies have less resources?

Which is why it will take time… but they are not even entertaining the idea.

I would love to see them add an AMD (and even ARM) option, but right now I applaud them for being tight-lipped about any future developments. What would they gain by acknowledging that they’re entertaining such ideas? People postponing their purchases, endlessly asking for ETA updates, getting mad when there are delays, etc. They’re much better off saying nothing and doing the work in the background. I also would understand if they choose not to offer a second CPU platform at this point. From their standpoint, it’s hugely expensive and time consuming to develop, potentially doubles their QA and support costs, makes their supply chain and inventory story more complicated, and probably makes their relationship with Intel a little worse. And realistically, they won’t get double the sales from just having an AMD option. So I would be pleasantly surprised if they offer an AMD option within 3 years, but I’m not holding my breath.

It can depend more on the graphics card(s) and the chassis type than the CPU.

For example if the Lenovo is a P15 and you’re comparing it to a Dell Latitude, then yeah duh.

The Lenovo Laptops I have are Legion 7 2021 (5800H / 3070), X1 Extreme Gen 1 (8th gen / 1050ti) vs Dell XPS 15 (12700 / 3050ti)

Both Lenovos are rock solid, not laggy or stuttery.

But I had a Dell XPS 15 (2020) model from work, I gave it back because idling in Windows made the fans spin...

I got a newer Dell XPS 15 (2022) for work (new job) and its great, but its stuttery and the fans spin under light loads. (the screen is amazing tho, i love the screen)

Yes the XPS series is a bit of a cooling nightmare but for example the Precision 3000/7000 series are quite a different story.

(We have around 10 assorted Dell laptops from all the different models and we don’t like the XPS much by comparison, and wouldn’t ever buy another. Aside from thermal issues, for whatever reason the XPS drivers are very beta and always crashing compared with the Precision series which is just rock solid)

I hate my P15v. Fans are always on doing the lightest of tasks and the battery won't last more than 2-3 hours. I dream of low power x86.

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