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> especially since the apache fundation is forced to accept to take charge of such projects even if they don't want to.

No, it isn't. Nothing says they (we) have to accept anything.

We have a difficult time saying NO.

Right now, Adobe has not even submitted a proposal to the incubator -- just blog posts about how they intend to submit it.

I eagerly await their submission of a Flex proposal. Part of the proposal, and critical for Flex, is proving this isn't just a code dump. If it is a code dump, I will vote -1, and I hope everyone else does too.

What additional things would make the difference?

The sarcasm obviously alluded you.

eluded

" it would have been a whole lot better for them to just dump flex and leave all its users without any support whatsoever"
If you were not being sarcastic, then I would be forced to agree with you.

You are right, but the spinning this as a good thing is grating.