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Sounds like they have a interesting history behind the creation of Penpot:

> Penpot was (effectively) born in a Kaleidos personal innovation week (PIWEEK, aka recurring hackathon) in 2018. Back then we had been recently forced to break one of our sacred rules at the company “only open source tools and platforms are allowed to build technology” due to F1gm4’s overwhelmingly productivity boost for designers at the company. “We are second-class citizens in open source, it’s frustrating and it’s painful!” they cried, and they were right.

https://kaleidos.net/ seems like an interesting place to work as well.

Gonna be exciting to see where Penpot moves from here. I'm a 100% Figma user who just signed up for Penpot and gonna see if it's possible to adopt for my own workflows.

Particularly interesting for me as a Clojure/Script developer is that Penpot is written in Clojure and ClojureScript, but the average user won't care about that. But will also be interesting to see if they'll be able to keep iterating at the same speed as they currently are, and how the language will affect it.

I don't see how Clojurescript is a good thing here, it's probably the most inefficient and with the most overhead of all the compile to JS languages (with out talking too much about react with penpot uses), even highly optimized pure JS won't come anywhere near the performance of Figma's C++ engine. Yes, performance for this tools matters.

Time will tell. Currently Penpot is using SVG for rendering the canvas, while Figma is using HTML <canvas> element for rendering the canvas, with their own custom engine. I don't know anything about what Penpot is planning, but I'm still excited to see what a SVG canvas could possibly do in competition to Figmas own renderer.

And then the rest of the UI is just basic HTML which any framework/compile-to-js language could handle. It's all about the canvas, and browsers are arguably pretty efficient at render SVGs so again, time will tell what happens.

I've been testing penpot, and yes, you can feel a performance penalty for using SVG instead of Canvas... but only after having like 20 screens or more.

For smaller projects, weirdly enough it's even faster than figma. Specially initial loading times, and switching between project selection, and loading the project. I think I'm gonna use it more for when I have a quick idea, and want to draft something quickly before lose it, just because of that.

Clojuescript is definitely not the most inefficient compile-to-js language. For example, the default data types will be well-designed with persistent data-structures instead of eg singly linked lists. But maybe you’re limiting to some subset in which clojurescript is the slowest.

> kaleidos.net seems like an interesting place to work as well.

Yes they are, their culture and project portfolio is awesome.

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