> i also think elixir was hurt early by overselling of erlang and the erlang vm.

I remember when this was popular. I picked up erlang myself in the craze and then dropped it. As for the outsider language I think this is why Haskell suffers as well. The community is really not great and it's small enough you tend to run into the same kind of person. The entire community is filled with zealots and you're a heretic if you just want to get things done. I didn't realize elixirs community was the same. Thanks for the insights.