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I do like both security and freedom. How do we get both in this scenario?

Have the iOS device ask the user for permission to allow unverified hardware to work? Also have a periodic reminder that unverified hardware is installed and the possible consequences?

> Have the iOS device ask the user for permission to allow unverified hardware to work?

Why is 'asking the user' out of the question? If Apple detects a non-OEM component, then give me a modal when I power the device on asking me if I want to enable it. I certainly don't trust Apple to make that decision for me, everything they've done in the past suggests that they're primarily motivated by increasing profit margins.

A company that wants to make money? Gasp, say it ain't so!

It wouldn't be so distressing if they weren't already valued beyond a trillion dollars.

You don't become a trillion dollar company selling products people don't love.

Do we want to talk about labor conditions in China and how that contributes to becoming a Trillion Dollar company?

Correct, companies can only get there with subterfuge and good marketing.

Marketing only works until you get your hands on the product. People love Apple products. No subterfuge required, nor cringeworthy marketing like this: https://9to5mac.com/2022/09/09/samsung-apples-new-iphone-14-...

yeah, let the logged-in user re-pair (pun not entirely intended) their swapped-out components and log it somewhere for future technicians. Apple can also go an extra step to register stolen components to also show that once it is inserted into another devices. ofc there then needs to be some core to pair with but apple will figure it out.

You are at liberty to buy other products and leave these to those who are happy about the security considerations.

Dont worry I do, the problem is all the other companies play "Follow the Apple"

The solution is never just "dont by apple if you do not like it" the solution is highlighting why it is bad, and getting people to pressure companies like Apple to change.

Right to Repair is movement, and it is winning. Part of right to repair includes resistance to parts serialization, and/or ensuring that approving new parts that are serialized is free and open to all end users not locked down to only "Authorized repair"

>the problem is all the other companies play "Follow the Apple"

Then blame the companies you buy from. You are not an Apple customer so they don't owe you anything. Frankly I'm tired of people that don't even buy the products constantly trying to dictate what those products should be.

You don't have to be an Apple customer to be affected by Apple's anticompetitive business practices. Apple's actions affect the whole market and all consumers in that market, that's the point behind antitrust law and litigation.

How do their actions affect you as an Android user?

Easily, Apple and Google collude to maintain dominance in the mobile OS markets and leverage that duopoly to dominate other markets like mobile app distribution and mobile app payments. Google's app payments policy is now nearly identical to Apple's, you must use their payment platform to distribute apps on their app store. Just like Apple's policy to prevent competition in the mobile app payments market prevents app developers from even mentioning alternative payment methods in apps or app store listings, Google quickly followed suit and implemented the exact same anticompetitive policy.

>Apple and Google collude

Citation needed.

Yes, it's just a coincidence that Apple and Google's anticompetitive policies in the mobile OS and app distribution markets have converged such that they are both practically identical and also allow them to leverage their dominance in those markets to dominate other markets like mobile app payments, as well.

Right, just like every car manufacturer in the world colluded since they all converged on 4 wheels and are practically identical.

Sort of. For now. How much higher do the walls need to become before it's no longer reasonable to live outside Apple's garden?

> How much higher do the walls need to become before it's no longer reasonable to live outside Apple's garden?

Do you mean "How much longer do I have to watch people enjoy their cake before I give in and want to eat the cake too?"

I find it pretty absurd that people demand Apple do things differently because their choice of alternative feels the need to follow Apple instead of leading themselves.

Slippery slope fallacy. Wake me up when it actually happens because it never does.

It's not a slippery slope. It's just the natural progression of a monopoly.

It’s not a monopoly.

It's the natural progression of a monopoly.

This is the fallacy fallacy. Just because you can identify a potential logical fallacy in a statement doesn't mean it isn't true.

Hey, if Apple doesn't want to follow the new Right to Repair laws, then it can shutdown the company or move to a different country.

They have an obligation to follow the law as much as any other company.

You know, I bet somebody responded very similarly to a complaint about the first game studio to put loot boxes in their games. Now we are plagued by them.

"Don't like it? Well just make your own ____!" is another classic.

Weird, I have never played a game with lootboxes nor have I had to even think about avoiding it. Only supports my point that your fear of it affecting you is unfounded in reality.

Except I didn't say make your own, I said pick from the variety of competitors. Who are you to dictate what a third party does, especially when that third party's decisions are well liked by their customers? I don't want the "freedom" to put in cheap aftermarket parts in my high end device, I want it to work extremely well and it does.

> Except I didn't say make your own...

No, that is what comes next - after somebody mentions Apple's part in the herpes like spread of chicklet keyboards.

> Who are you to dictate what a third party does...

Who are you to put words in my mouth? I've counseled something other than compulsion, I've suggested that you and apologists like you should be openly mocked for reasons that I can't list - because it would be bullying, run afoul of various codes of conduct, etc.

If you play AAA games or mobile games, sure, you're plagued by them.

I don't play either. The games I do play don't have much in the way of that sort of thing at all. And I think they're more fun games besides.

I don't understand your point, which effectively seems to be "not all games!"

This is actually a zero sum scenario, games that are pay-to-win would have been something else had the concept not been popularized. Even games that are completely structured around these gambling mechanics... no, they wouldn't necessarily be different games in an alternate reality - they'd just be a different use of the dev's time. So maybe a birdhouse. Also, if this was a derail attempt - well done, I'm now thinking about carpentry instead of how much I dislike Apple.

> I don't understand your point, which effectively seems to be "not all games!"

It's more "capitalism dot txt is a thing, yes, but you're opting in."

Which you can totally do. I am saying that this is a venue where you don't have to.

I don't see how bringing up a right wing conspiracy meme adds anything to what your parent said. Your biometrics should be processed and gathered by the most secure parts of the device, which means going through more hoops to get a replacement.

It is neither right wing nor a conspiracy, the fact that you believe both of those things seems to be commentary on your sources of news content more than anything

>Your biometrics should be processed and gathered by the most secure parts of the device, which means going through more hoops to get a replacement.

The problem here is not just limited to biometrics but even if it where many many many many people have posted long commentary on how it could be implemented in a way that is friendly to right to repair, nothing about security is in compatible with repair. NOTHING

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