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Perhaps, but perhaps europe will draw inwards and support its own workers vs buying stuff from outside. Energy, yeah, but aside from foodstuffs what is critical for survival?

Better this and previous European actions when faced with shortages…

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What does Europe manufacture? So much of the products in the supermarkets and department stores and even Euroshops come from outside the EU.

In 2020, The Netherlands was the second-largest exporter of food (excluding fish) globally, behind only the United States [1]. I would say its fairly rare for me to go to the supermarket here and buy food that was produced outside of Europe.

[1] https://www.fao.org/3/cb9928en/cb9928en.pdf

> In 2020, The Netherlands was the second-largest exporter of food

Much of which is produced in greenhouses heated by Russian gas ... not sure what your point is.

Netherlands imports about 20% of it's energy, spiking to 35%: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.IMP.CONS.ZS?location...

The Netherlands is one of the more energy independent countries in the EU generally speaking.

a large percentage of those 20% imports are actually from France.

We build a lot of high tech products, for example cars / trucks / busses as well as tooling.

The Netherlands alone - a tiny little country - are world leaders in Yacht production, Food (per m2) and via ASML cutting-edge chip fabs.

Germany, our neighbours, are the production power house of Europe. They make basically everything the USA does and a lot of things produced in China. They're more quality focused than China (and to some extent the USA too).

Germany, Poland and Spain have huge manufacturing industries - what are you on about?

Exported €3,428 billion worth of stuff in 2021.

Guessing they must make some stuff.

> Exported €3,428 billion worth of stuff in 2021.

How much of that is services vs. manufactured goods?

A bit over €2tn is goods. A lot of high value stuff like medical products, aircraft, but also cars and petrolium products.

EDIT: nevermind, I misread the post.

That's right, the rest were services.

You can find out with a straightforward Google search.

Around 18%: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

I think that is because you supermarket doesn't sell cars, airplanes, ships or machined tools.

A lot of things still. A lot of manufacturing jobs moved to eastern Europe rather than Asia in the late 90's and early 00's.

Machines that are used in factories worldwide to produce stuff.

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