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Indeed, I do the same thing and most people I know do the same. The fact is that Lyft for me consistently has high prices and lower availability of drivers than Uber, so I use Uber. The network effect is strong with ridesharing companies.

It's hard to over look the horrendous work place culture and history of Uber.

Seems like newer generations are okay with it.

Is there any proof that Lyft's work culture is better even for engineers? It's not clear that drivers prefer it.

Here's my anecdata. Every Uber/Lyft I've taken is clearly servicing both. Indicators range from multiple phones, one with each app running and multiple logos/stickers on the cars. I almost always ask the driver which they prefer. The consistent answer is they prefer working with Lyft better but Uber more consistently has rides for them to pick up. It's unclear whether they get paid better with Lyft or are otherwise treated better, but that is what they say every time.

I usually ask the same (and whether they prefer tip in cash etc); I have not seen a single person say they would rather drive for uber. It's been nearly 100% toward lyft preference. I ride daily.

Doesn’t seem to match the facts?

FTA: “Furthermore, the survey showed Lyft has a significantly higher percentage of dissatisfied drivers.”

I read the comment as referring to Uber's staff. But being crappy to one doesn't mean your competition isn't crappier.

I think that's the norm for all app-based / gig-economy work

Could you elaborate what you're referring to exactly?

- Uber driver rapes passenger, Uber executive obtains victims medical records [1]

- History of 49 scandals at Uber [2]

- Uber's #MeToo Movement in France [3]

- Uber's #MeToo movement in America [4]

- Sexual discrimination and gender harassment, Uber's culture [5] [6]

To name a few, the list goes on.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40196055

[2] https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-company-scandals- and-controversies-2017-11

[3] https://www.politico.eu/article/uber-france-metoo-moment/

[4] https://www.vox.com/2017/6/21/15844852/uber-toxic-bro-compan...

[5] https://www.infoworld.com/article/3173354/uber-ugliness-unma... valleys-bro-culture.html

[6] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/metoo-campaign-sheds-light-on...

To be fair, the sexual discrimination and harassment is a problem all over Western culture, so it's weird to single out Uber that way.

The first link goes back to 2017, significant management changes happened since, and it was in India, and apparently he got fired.

> To be fair, the sexual discrimination and harassment is a problem all over Western culture, so it's weird to single out Uber that way.

Are you justifying its OK for Uber to have a horrendous culture that MULTIPLE sources identified has being atrocious because its 'common' in Western Culture?

The executive stealing a rape victims medical records occured in India, not a Western country.

Do you think culture changes overnight? 2017 was not that long ago. The first link goes back to then, I provided a small list because you asked for specific examples. It's a small list (but deep issues). How do people such short term memories. It's how the past repeats itself, no?

No I didn't justify, why are you straw manning?

Since 2017, they have had new management.

You could phrase this in a way that isn't so gross and offensive.

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