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To be fair, all Huawei and ZTE "equipment" I've ever seen has been total garbage, and as much as I hate the spying by our own government in America, the Chinese literally run City 17

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Huawei is responsible for a lot of the global cellular infrastructure. It's basically Nokia and Huawei as the two big players (in my Country at least)

I won't go as far as calling their products garbage.

Their mobile phones were also fantastic. At the flagship level for a while their phones were better than Samsung imo. Not sure how they compare anymore since they de-googled. I'm to firmly latched to that teat not let go just yet.

I don't trust Chinese phones, sorry.

But you trust "US" phones (made in China or elsewhere), where the data you store on them could actually be used against you?

Why is the response always “what about US” instead of defending the thing at hand?

Because none of them has come up with a good defense of their policies. The day a single one of them does, all of them start spouting the exact same thing

1 country spying on me is better than 2

Counter point: Chinese spying will not affect you to any degree. Your own country spying on you is much more of an issue.

I see no reason either will effect me besides my moral dislike of being spied on.

Plus I have nonzero but small legal rights and remedies to mitigate my own country's surveillance of me.

For one, you could more easily get on no-fly lists, since more data about you means more data to match against whatever secret crterion. Even if it is all false positives.

And again which one is known for mass murders around the globe? It is pretty clear which one is much more risks and much more evil.

The USA is well known for global power projection and coups/CIA plans/military operations around the globe. China… can barely get their own ships out of their own backyard.

From the perspective of the global citizen, arguably the USA would present more unilateral risk. The USA wouldn’t hesitate to act in their own interests in a way that screws others over. Then again, China has even less scruples, so it’s a lose/lose situation here.

Classic misdirection. Clandestine information control 101 next to sliding.

I trust a Pixel 5a with GrapheneOS where everything on my phone is encrypted, and in the future I won't even have any personal information on my phone. Don't care much for smartphones other than the fact my generation really likes Discord.

And I would trust phones manufactured in USA even less.

My Huawei built google nexus back in the day was as good of quality and experience as any other phone. That doesn’t take away from the valid reasons to ban their equipment, but in my one experience it wasn’t total garbage.

That wasn't one of the best Nexuses.

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