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That would have put you as the enemy of a lot of people who made great progress. Do you think a of the rights we have today were won by people playing nicely and politely? Suffragettes, abolitionists, labor activists

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> Do you think a of the rights we have today were won by people playing nicely and politely?

Yes. They identified correctly who they need to apply pressure on. If they had harassed the general population, they would have failed. Instead they were agreeable enough that they attracted allies more than they created backlash.

I understand that you are unlikely to agree, but environmentalists would argue that the correct group to apply pressure on are people who are responsible for fossil fuel being burned, either directly (eg. cars), or by purchasing products with embodied emissions, which are not necessary for survival, that is practically everyone alive in a developed country today.

Then prohibit fossil fuels or make it prohibitively expensive or something like that, instead of harassing random people. Heck, if you wanna glue yourself to something, at least do it in front of some politicians door, not mine.

That's literally what the group are trying to do, but that decision has to be made by people in charge. That's what protest is for.

This just happened:

https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/r...

Please don't try to argue that this was a necessary sacrifice.

Neolib take that the solution is to make better purchasing decisions as individual consumers per your examples

Consumers create demand. Demand acts as a pulling force in the economy causing increased supply as the market adapts.

But if that isn't sufficient on its own, elected leaders rule by the mandate of the electorate, making every adult in every democratic country share responsibility for the decisions of their elected leaders.

Take your pick. Or don't and keep enjoying the benefits of capitalism without taking on the responsibility. But then you are no different to those who stood on the wrong side of history in the societal transitions of the past.

thanks for elaborating on what the neolib position is. though it's not even correct in terms of the point about history, see wengrow/graeber research for instance

Feel free to elaborate on your point. I'm not doing your research for you.

fuck off

What's the difference between a sit in at a department store, lunch counter or diner and one at an art gallery

Glue

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