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> Think about things like cotton-seed oil, rapeseed oil and canola oil. These things are imposible to consume without industrial processing.

I would include olive oil in this too. I once tried to eat an olive off the tree. Never again. Completely inedible. Heavily processed for human consumption.

Edit: canola and rapeseed are the same thing

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Olive oil is very different from other vegatable oil in that it is mostly monounsaturated. Olives do need to be cured, and honestly they might not have been consumed until somewhat recently:

>The cultivated olive seems to have coexisted with humans for about 5,000 to 6,000 years, going back to the early Bronze Age (3150 to 1200 BC). For thousands of years olives were grown primarily for lamp oil, with little regard for culinary flavor.

In the case of rapeseed:

>Rapeseed oil is one of the oldest known vegetable oils, but historically was used in limited quantities due to high levels of erucic acid, which is damaging to cardiac muscle of animals, and glucosinolates, which made it less nutritious in animal feed.[19] Rapeseed oil can contain up to 54% erucic acid.

Good luck eating a cow fresh out of the pasture.

I have always wondered about it. Would actually fresh beef be tough? And by fresh I mean eating it same day it is butchered.

I've actually inquired about that, since I'm Paleo.

You can buy beef that is frozen the same day its butchered from small local farms, and from the people I know who have done that (and have half a cow in their chest freezers to prove it), it's absolutely delicious and tender.

You can totaly do that. You can also eat meat completly raw. These guys[0][1] are certainly looking better than most vegans at least (from a muscle perspective)

[0]https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/eat/bodybuilder-brian...

[1]https://nypost.com/2021/10/05/man-has-lived-on-raw-meat-diet...

Two stories of individual experiences eating raw meat compared to “most vegans”. Don’t account for starting health, genetic disposition, or economic status. Since we’re judging health purely on your esthetic definition of “looking better”, I raise you 22 vegan body builders[0].

[0] https://www.greatveganathletes.com/category/vegan-bodybuilde...

These guys most likley make up >20% of all known raw meat eaters. There is therfore no selection bias. Those guys literaly are the average raw meat eater. You have selected only "vegans" who are bodybuilders. Also I doubt that most of the bodybuilders in your link are really vegan.

Brian Johnson, the “Liver King” is presenting a physique almost certainly unattainable without supplying anabolic steroids, testosterone and/or human growth hormone to the body. Given that, I’d take claims with regards to his diet with a grain of salt. I’d even go as far as to extend that skepticism to all fitness “influencers”.

Yea those shoulders scream "anabolics"

They’re on juice.

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