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I think much of car drivers' anger towards cyclists treating red lights as stop signs is not so much the safety aspect as a feeling of unfairness that they are stuck at the light while the cyclist checks the road and then bikes through.

I really hope there's some other reason besides drivers acting like babies over this.

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I drive a lot more than I bike (leisurely, for exercise) and my personal hangup with the argument is that drivers are to treat cyclists as vehicles, but cyclists don't even want to act like vehicles. Stop signs are just that - road signs to signify traffic is to stop at the sign before proceeding. When I bike in my neighborhood, I come to a full stop in the cycle lane at every sign before proceeding.

Ok except there are laws for Idaho stops, specifically in my state. So it's more about cars not knowing the rules of the road and trying to act like entitled babies.

Depending on your state, not only is coming to a full stop more dangerous, it may actually not even be the law.

> coming to a full stop more dangerous

.. in the bike lane, alone? Rolling through a stop sign as a yield is only legally allowed in 9 states as of 2022.

No one is saying anyone is trying to act like entitled babies. All my point is saying is that a vehicle is a vehicle as defined by the law.

Yes, coming to a full stop is statistically more dangerous. There are studies on this, the idaho stop is there for a reason, it saves lives.

And an Idaho stop is an Idaho stop, as defined by the law.

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