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The problem in part is with hackernews actually. I dont find it very conducive to good discussions. I rarely comment myself actually. Most comments seem to be he said/she said and argumentative. Im actually surpised people dont ask for this site to be improved. And i guess it never will. But it would be nice to have constructive conversations about these things rather then arguments.

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On any site where there is a voting mechanism, you're going to have a certain amount of groupthink. And likewise, on nearly every such site (especially HN), complaining about being down voted is often like throwing gasoline on a fire.

There has been discussion about how to improve the site, sometimes from PG himself, sometimes from others. It isn't perfect, but in comparing the signal-to-noise ratio of HN to some of those other sites, I find that HN shines. Do you have any specific ideas on how to improve things here?

I've been following this comment thread and I have to say that I find most of the argumentative and/or confrontational attitudes to be a direct result of your complaining. If you don't like Django that is fine. But don't expect others, who not only use but may also contribute and have a strong vested interest in it, to sit by idly while you trash their work and belittle the character of their community.

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