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> I went on a lately popular but politically incorrect diet

How can a diet be "politically incorrect"? Did you go on a Nazi diet or something?

I've been on the carnivore diet for a while and I can assure you that it is politically incorrect -- people think it is wrong to eat only red meat.

People also think it’s wrong to only drink alcohol. Us alcoholics are being persecuted by the PC police :(

The difference is that alcohol is toxic to the human body whereas human beings evolved on a diet of red meat, which is why red meat is the pinnacle of human nutrition.

Doesn't help that one of its highest-profile proponents is Jordan Goddamned Peterson.

A wonderful and sound reason to criticize a diet.

All his other ideas are trash, why should I expect this one to be any different?

Would you care enough to share some of his ideas and your reasoning on why you consider them trash?

I doubt you'll get much in the way of an intelligent response from fknorangesite. They'll probably just downvote you like they did me.

I didn't downvote you. (I don't think you can downvote a direct reply to yourself?)

He's at best incoherent, and at worst an outright hateful bigot. And yeah, you're not going to sucker me into wasting my time arguing with his fans. I already waste enough of my life on this website, but even I know better than to get dragged into the mud with JP adherents.

As if there hasn't already been mountains of ink spilled criticizing Peterson: there's plenty out there if you're actually curious and not just sealioning.

> And yeah, you're not going to sucker me into wasting my time arguing with his fans.

I just think JP says a lot of things that make sense, but I am open to opposite perspective, as long as it's supported by strong reasoning. Most criticisms of JP I've seen are either vague or shallow, I never see anyone actually deconstruct his argument.

If you don't have time, I respect that. But I assure you, if you have good reasoning to disagree with his ideas, I'll be perceptive. I don't care much about JP himself, but I am passionate about intellectual rigor, which JP seems to have, IMHO.

I’d respond with QED, but you more or less did it for me.

> people think it is wrong to eat only red meat

Ah. Makes sense. Veganism is hip, and all that jazz.

I loathe the PC community more and more by the day.

I find people who complain about the PC community far more annoying, tbh. The PC community is just a bunch of young altruists trying to do the right thing (however misguided the attempt is). The anti-PC community has always struck me as childish.

> The PC community is just a bunch of young altruists trying to do the right thing (however misguided the attempt is).

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Especially when your attempt to do the right thing relies on telling others how to live their life.

> The anti-PC community has always struck me as childish.

If it's childish to not want my life to be controlled by some wannabe-altruists, then I'm childish as all hell and proud of it.

I eat beef and salt. I haven't gotten much pushback about the salt.

> I eat beef and salt. I haven't gotten much pushback about the salt.

And nothing else? I've done keto a few times for a couple weeks each time, and I cannot imagine only ever eating beef. Does that take a lot of willpower? I can't even really image eating only meat over a long term, much less only one kind of meat. A couple weeks seems to be about my limit.

Is the amount of salt unusual, or just like a normal sprinkle of table salt for flavoring?

Not the one you're replying to but this is my diet as well. (Having breakfast now - beef and butter with salt.). I thought I'd be bored with it quickly at first and decided to keep using spices on my meat but after two days I ditched the spices and haven't been bored yet. Eight weeks tomorrow.

I also eat butter, some eggs, chicken and pork, lamb, buffalo, etc. occasionally. Probably 90% beef. I try to eat more eggs just to keep the cost down.

I remember sitting down to my first meal on this diet, when I intended a month "cleanse". It was about a pound of hamburger patties fried in butter. I'd never been a big meat eater. (I still don't like steak.) Looking at those burgers I got depressed. Is this all I'm going to get to eat for the next month? I might have gone and added a bagle to it if I hadn't tossed them all.

Then I ate it, and it was good, and the sad went away. I don't think I'd had an all-meat meal before on purpose. After a few such meals my reservations about it went away, and at the end of the month I wasn't interested in stopping. And far from having to will-power myself to eat, I am enjoying food at least as much or more than ever. I generally eat ribs for breakfast (yeah, very expensive, especially in comparison to dying young of metabolic disesase). I very much look forward to that same breakfast, with no regrets or boredom.

This is not the typical carnivore story that I've heard. Jordan Peterson talks about how incredibily tedious this diet is. My brother and his daughter have had success with it, but find it hard to keep going long term. Whatever it is that makes it work so well for me is clearly not the same for everyone.

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