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Please do not trivialise genital mutilation as 'culture war'.

Did you actually read the french (and german green) petitions?

https://web.archive.org/web/20050404190912/http://www.decadi...

Here is the letter from the well-known intellectuals:

https://www.dolto.fr/fd-code-penal-crp.html

They were not just about making the age of consent equal for gay and hetero sex. They were also pushing for lowering and abolishing the age of consent altogether. You can see this as a 'submarine'. From the wikipedia article:

   "Michel Foucault argued that it is intolerable 
    to assume that a child is incapable of giving 
    meaningful consent to sexual relations."

There is clearly a structural similarity between contemporary apologists for genital mutilation under euphemisms such as 'gender affirming surgery' and the what the french intellectuals demanded 50 years ago.

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Firstly, you are twisting my words. I have never said that genital mutilation is culture war, only that you are obsessed with it.

Secondly, you have demonstrated your inability to have an honest discussion without trying to “mutilate” your opponent’s view. For this reason I will not spend time translating the French sources just to prove you wrong. You did it yourself already by linking to that WikiPedia article while mis-representing its content.

From the wikipedia article:

   "Michel Foucault argued that it is intolerable 
    to assume that a child is incapable of giving 
    meaningful consent to sexual relations."

The action of the french intellectuals or the German Greens was very clearly not just about equating the age of consent between homosexuals and heterosexual, but also about enabling sex between adults and prepubescent children.

Yes, at that time men under the age of 21 were considered children not being able to give consent specifically to having gay sex. However, men of the same age were not considered children when having straight sex. Do you see a problem with that?

More importantly, are you as furious that _today_ children as young as 13 are able to give consent in many mostly republican states in the US?

Are you OK with 13 y.o. girls being able to give consent in Tennessee? It’s happening today in your own country, led by your own party, not in France 50 years ago.

The children that Foucault has been referring to were not 21 year old men, as you know perfectly well, and as the Wikipedia article makes and the other links I gave make perfectly clear. And the German Greens also did not refer to 21 year old men, what they all were supporting was more something like the Kentler experiments [1].

What is "my own party" and what is "my own country", are you not making unwarranted assumptions?

Absent strong social pressure, humans tend to start having sex when they reach puberty. I doubt that there is even one human on the planet who does not have ancestors that had children at 13. Why is this relevant?

What is not acceptable, as you know very well, is genital mutilation of children without consent (children cannot give consent) that renders them permantently infertile and dysorgasmic. Stop defending child abuse!

[1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-exp...

So what age were the French talking about?

It’s absolutely hilarious that you justify 13 year olds being able to give consent today while posturing about some French petitions from 50 years ago (that did not result in any laws even remotely allowing pedophilia). What a grand delusion!

Regarding your country. Yes, it’s an assumption on my part since you are talking about the right and the left and the culture war. Unless you are from the UK and meant that as a criticism of the woke left wing Tories who have been in power for a very long time now?

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