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Sceptre[1] makes non-smart-TVs, Miele[2] washing machines are made to last 20 years.

[1] https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U557CV-UMRB-55-4K-UHD-T... [2] https://www.mieleusa.com/e/washing-machines-1015696-c

Miele quality has gone really downhill last 10 years. But they do more or less guarantee that you will be able to buy replacement parts for 10 years. (NOT 20!) As long as they don't offer warranty for 10 years or 20 years, I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today.

If their machines really would last that long, they would market the hell out of it !explicitly! and offer you that assurance to get your money. Now they are just cruising by on their reputation they built last millenium

The good days are over sadly.

> As long as they don't offer warranty for 10 years or 20 years, I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today.

That's not how it works. If a product on average lasts 20 years, you can't give a 20-year warranty because life expectancy has a highly skewed distribution. If one out of three machines live for 40 years and two out of three machines live for 10 years, that is 20 years on average, yet you will make a loss on 2/3 of the machines.

> I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today. The good days are over sadly.

In reality, it's just a rationalization for buying cheap crap: you just assume that all products are equally bad, and then you just buy the cheapest stuff you can find. That's how we ended up where we are now.

Sceptre certainly keeps that hidden! They need better marketers! For that price point and non-smart, I would have absolutely bought recently. But I have never heard of this brand until today.

I have a Sceptre.

Let's just say you get what you pay for. If you're concerned about screen quality, you should probably look elsewhere.

I do love how dumb it is, though!

Fisher and Paykel also make washing machines that last.

https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/laundry/washing-machines/

I appreciate your comment for trying to be helpful (and too many sibling comments to reply to also), so apologies if I seem dismissive in my response but...

I've heard of Sceptre via HN (and as a sibling comment points out, their quality is not great), but they aren't available for purchase in my country. In fact, from a quick search of the local aggregator there isn't a single 4k non-smart TV for sale in the country. I've sort of voted with my wallet here and am just using a large computer monitor for now, but I'm not sure there'll be anything available if I ever want to get some of those sweet OLEDs or some HDR.

Another sibling comment also said that recently Miele has started coasting based on their name brand and are no longer producing long-lasting machines, but even if they aren't I won't be able to tell that the next time I find myself in need of a washing machine, which is part of the problem.

> they aren't available for purchase in my country

As another commter pointed out they are sold as commercial displays and digital signage, but that is a different price range.

> Another sibling comment also said that recently Miele has started coasting

People have always said that. It's an easy excuse to buy the cheapest stuff they can find, but in reality you'll always find products made for commercial customers. An appliance that lasts a dozen years in a hotel, restaurant or airport will last practically forever in a home.

Everything Sceptre sell appears to be "restock soon" or "out of stock" - is this a real company?

Regardless, they don't appear to retail out of the US, so it's hardly a good option for most people.

Thanks for sharing!

What’s your evidence for Miele’s durability? Is it just their “pro at home” line, or all of them?

Pretty much everything from Miele is built to last for decades. But it is expensive.

There are plenty of non-smart TVs, at least, and plenty of HN threads telling you where to look (they are sold as commercial displays and digital signage). You will really have to vote with your wallet, though, because the smart TVs come with hundreds of dollars of price discount based on bundling of streaming service clients and their ability to send consumer tracking data.

Not always - Sony Bravia conference room displays seem to be rebranded consumer models with clean firmware and the price is affordable. Maybe a small markup but nowhere near what you get on a digital signage display (and also it retains all the advantages of a consumer-grade TV such as speakers, remote, etc).

I spent months on this recently. Commercial displays are rarely available in retail quantities (e.g 1) in my country, and the few that are lack basics such as multiple HDMI ports, HDR, etc.

The options may be greater for you, but they're limited for most of us.

> everything is named something like Sony XP-3000-ZXS Pro that is exactly like the XP-300ZXS Pro+ except…

This drives me crazy. I don’t get how companies get this so wrong. I just spent hours looking for a tumble dryer and they’re all like that.

Who are the people at these companies who think it’s a good idea to name your product a completely opaque alphanumeric jumble?

Oh I know that one.

It’s because they have slightly different models names for differ markets, and they figured out that using their internal code names was easier than paying someone to come up with easy, memorable names. So the model sold in Delaware is the UX-7200-D, and the one sold in The Netherlands is exactly the same item with a different power cord and instruction booklet. But it’s called NT-376xd because the Netherlands branch is actually a different company that was bought 2 years ago and they are still using their old system which has different codes for products.

I usually have the reverse problem: the "memorable" marketing names are vague and have no clear indication of what's newer or what's better. Sometimes each is trying to convince you it's the best[1], meanwhile the internal engineering designations (sometimes discoverable on or in the product) more commonly have a clear progression[2], despite alphanumeric soup (a 2300X -Q3N is likely older than a 2317X-1A, and both are inferior to a 2600X-PTN-J).

Seems to me, Motorola's phone names in USA went off the deep end sometime after the Moto G7, while international versions of many of the same phones retained their nice simple sequential numbering scheme.

[1] Don't get me started on people who produce n versions of something then decide to name the next version "One" (or similar) "because its the only One you need, the best One; it's The One!" (when they really mean, "Weird, people can't figure out why they should upgrade when we didn't change anything much!")…which of course just screws them when they next try to get people to upgrade. …Oh, seems I got very thoroughly started. :faceplant:

[2] Ignoring Sharp models for their phones and tablets, which can have name elements where a descending sequence in part of the name and an ascending sequence in another part of the same name identify whether this is a higher or lower model. And ignoring Apple, which decades ago decided reusing model IDs over and over is FineTM, forcing horrible things like "Well, it's a late 2015 iBook 15-inch with the <special feature that means you have a different case/keboard/camera/…> and the <special upgrade that means you have a different motherboard>".

> How can I find a washing machine that will last for 20 years?

Try:

    site:reddit.com inurl:BuyItForLife "washing machine"

> Sure, how do I cast my vote for a non-smart TV

Don't buy one. There are plenty of other options. Computer monitors, for example, can double for a display and TV. This one is excellent (had mine for about a year without any problems):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099PJ8SPT

reddit is chock-full of astroturfing and someone's washer brand lasting 20 years doesn't mean their modern model will last 20 years.

>How can I find a washing machine that will last for 20 years?

In all seriousness, check second hand sites like Facebook Marketplace.

The price of an item new in the shops often has low correlation with its quality, but second-hand markets are ridiculously frugal and rational.

Even if you don't want to buy used goods, the fact that an item which cost $499 ten years ago still sells for $300 used is a real testament to the quality of the brand.

Low quality crap will usually lose at least 50% of its value once you've opened the box, and another 50% yet again after just a couple of years' use.

I do this exactly. My washer and dryer are both over 20 years old and cost less than $200 each, used and mechanically refurbished. They have a couple dials each and do their jobs predictably.

assuming the brand still has the same standards today as they had 10 years ago. In many many cases that is not the case. After 2008-2012 quality of appliances reeeallllly went downhill

> How can I find a washing machine that will last for 20 years?

I know this one! You buy one build in the 70's maybe 80's chose the ones with crazy rpm

Bought a smart tv, but don't use the smart parts. The invitation to use the smart features closes itself after about 15 seconds, no problem.

> Where do I go to watch my shows via DRM free downloads?

Vote with your feet becomes a bit more interesting here since the legal options are limited.

I suppose you could say: Vote with your sails.