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This needs to be emphasized so much more.

Short of "not driving", human drivers don't have the option of "well, this is less than optimal, I can't do well, so I won't try".

FSD absolutely does. Disengages, or is not even engaged in the first place.

I wonder Tesla's FSD safety / disengagement stats for December to February in Pittsburgh, for example.

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> Short of "not driving", human drivers don't have the option of "well, this is less than optimal, I can't do well, so I won't try".

They sure do, and will stop when things are too complex for them (e.g. bad weather).

Yes, how about a stat for, "accidents/incidents which were proceeded by AutoPilot disengagement within the past ~5 seconds."

That's what Tesla is counting. From the methodology section of the safety report:

> To ensure our statistics are conservative, we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact, and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed.

Yeah, the "no active restraint deployed" thing is horseshit, and Tesla knows it, too. I go to manufacturer training sessions on these systems maybe once a year as a firefighter-paramedic, and there are multiple criteria for deployments these days - you can have a significant collision and if the system determines its better for the occupants not to deploy, then it doesn't.

According to Tesla, that's not an accident.

For FSD evaluation purposes? It sure as hell is.

But it's no longer counted.

I was responding to the point about counting crashes after autopilot disengagement, not the criteria for what counts as a crash.

That's what I get for not reading the source material! Thanks for correcting me.

Right, like when they tried to blame Walter Huang for FSD veering directly into a barrier US-101/CA-85. "Autopilot was disengaged when it crashed." Yes, because the driver grabbed the wheel when autopilot veered directly into a gore point.

That wasn't the first time they'd done that, either. Prior to that, another fatal collision, released a statement, "The vehicle had warned driver prior to collision to pay attention to driving".

They, strangely, didn't mention that this warning was issued for a single steering wheel inactivity failure, and that that happened _eighteen_ _minutes_ prior to the collision.

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