No child would benefit from being struck by a teacher (or anyone else) in school.
A light slap on the bum is entirely different and that's what I'm talking about.
Holding hands with an officer without permission would end you up in jail.
Grabbing an item from the officer without permission would end you up in jail.
You can do all of those things with your child that you can't with an officer.
Your analogy's logic breaks down easily.
(I don't condone police violence either; I'm laying out a positive argument, not a normative one.)
You ignored the breakdown of your analogy.
Just going to reiterate, if you're hurting your child you aren't spanking, you're beating.
The act of spanking is to strike the butt cheeks to inflict pain as a punishment, there is no other mechanic at play. It is striking another person to hurt them.
> It is striking another person to hurt them.
You added those parts. I said exactly the opposite.
There is another mechanic at play. The fear of getting in trouble and going through the process.
The light slap on the bum isn't even supposed to sting.
But I do agree we are at the limit of productive dialog, have a good day.
The hypocrisy is astounding and one of the worst aspects - behavior we've outlawed against adults are being outright advocated for children in a position where they can't reasonably defend themselves.
You're seeking to justify violence and abuse, no matter how you trivialise it.
Try to do anything to another adult with consent and you'll have criminal charges.
You can't ground another adult, or take away their stuff. You can with your child.
Also teammates slap each other on the bum all the time.
My ex took someone to court over an unwanted slap on the bum a while back, in case someone thinks this is hypothetic, as the CPS agreed it was a crime though they cautioned they'd have a hard time proving the case.
I responded to your other point elsewhere.
The information is that it teaches violence is acceptable and people will unironically respond with something like "I was slapped as a kid and I'm not a person who thinks violence is acceptable... that's why I think slapping kids is okay".
If they then do see the irony they'll argue that their form of hitting the child is completely different from the bad form of hitting a child.
What you are doing is making violence acceptable with your conflation.
Try applying it to an adult without consent and see the criminal charges you'd face.
Again, what you're doing is conflating abuse and violence with discipline.
> Try applying it to an adult without consent and see the criminal charges you'd face.
Try to do anything to another adult with consent and you'll have criminal charges.
You can't ground another adult, or take away their stuff. You can with your child.
Try to do anything to another adult with consent and you'll have criminal charges.
> You can't ground another adult, or take away their stuff. You can with your child.
You can tell another adult they are grounded all you want. You just can't rely on physical violence to enforce it.
With respect to possessions, there's a stark difference between bodily autonomy and property.
That you're stretching to the point of comparing violence with taking away their stuff is disgusting.