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I’m the opposite. I don’t want to have to use any third party code, libraries, frameworks, etc. I want it all in the standard library.

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same here, it also bugs me when a language needs a framework then it needs a transpiler than an ide extension than a course to learn well how to align all ecosystem properly since standard not enough to give credit/satisfaction to all involved in dev :(

This is how we end up with insufferable things like type "number" inputs and alert and most of the other baked in things.

They're halfway to what you want but can't go further because everyone has slightly different needs and browsers are already complex enough without baking in prebuilt components for everything from data tables to carousels to modals to drop-down menus.

Also, the list of things that bug you that a language needs describes pretty much every programming language in existence.

> Also, the list of things that bug you that a language needs describes pretty much every programming language in existence.

The bit about ecosystem and the context on JavaScript makes me certain he meant external needs - in other words he'd like "batteries to be included". There are several languages that come with a lot of stuff out of the box.

This means there will only ever be one and a half web browsers, as it is now essentially impossible to build one that includes every single feature everyone has ever demanded from a development environment. The browser should be a dumb virtual machine, for the same reason that we shouldn't be hard-coding the latest version of Python into CPUs and then demanding firmware or even hardware updates to get a new language feature. I can sit down as a single person and build an emulator that runs every single program available a video game console and yet thousands of engineers and hundreds of millions of dollars can't build a fucking web browser anymore?! It is utter madness, and it is the fault of people like yourself :(.

That's not the reality of modern web development in the last 10+ years though.

Yes, and that has led to how many thousands of hours of developer time wasted building these things custom for their app (or trying to find some minimally invasive library to do it). Bring on the dialog element. Maybe we can get the ability to custom style select inputs next.

Which is why development has sucked so much in the last 10+ years, in my experience.

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