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>Why isn't this build into every major operating system by now?

Because no desktop OS besides MacOS can handle Sleep with any semblance of competency.

>Why isn't this the default

See above.

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I've spent the last 5 years trying to figure out how to get Macs to remember which display goes on the left when waking from sleep. No luck yet, maybe it's fixed in Ventura or with M2s?

I had a similar problem with identical monitors that I used something called displayplacer

https://github.com/jakehilborn/displayplacer

Later I chained the displays differently and moved the adapters around so it stopped being an issue.

> Because no desktop OS besides MacOS can handle Sleep with any semblance of competency.

The Chromebook I'm using right now handles sleep perfectly, and always has.

I said desktop OS. :V

There is no significant difference between "desktop" MacOS and laptop MacOS with respect to power management.

Similarly, Chromebox desktops exist, running effectively the same OS as laptop ChromeOS.

My usual comment: out of windows, macos and Linux only the Linux on laptop and on steamdeck can sleep and wake up reliably without draining all the battery for me. I know others have a different experience, but I'd just go with "none of the systems handle it reliably" if we're generalising.

Agreed. I find Macos on a fresh installation and new hardware will work fine, but over time it seems to fall apart somehow. The last Mac I used (when I worked for $FORMER_EMPLOYER) would sleep fine but whenever I woke it up several hours later I had a 50% chance of it being completly flat (and the other 50% it would have varying levels of charge). It got to the point I got into the habit of plugging my Macbook anytime I needed to wake it up after several hours of sleep to ensure it actually would wake up properly. This was because occassionaly it would wake up for a few seconds and durin that time it'd trigger another suspension which would itself fail to work and power-off part way through the suspension requiring a fresh boot. Battery supposely fine etc and would usually go for several hours no issues while still powered on. YMMV of course but I've had better experience with Linux and Windows on my Lenovo ThinkPads--if it goes to sleep at a certain level of battery charge then it usually wakes up only a few percentage points below that after several hours. shrugs

Until a few months ago I would said that Linux handles it well, but not anymore. I can't use sleep anymore because of this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2136971

I'm amazed at the regression in this on Linux in recent years. It's a complete coin toss whether sleep will work at all on my laptop, and what state it will be in when I open in again.

I've never had any issues with stand-by on Windows.

Windows in particular is notorious as of late for brutally draining the battery while Sleeping[1].

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c

I thought we were talking about just supporting going to stand-by, not about how much power the device draws while on stand-by.

Brutally draining the battery while aSleep should never be called "supporting Sleep".

And even before then Sleep was very hit-or-miss anyway. I've never used Sleep because it's just far too inconsistent and thus unreliable, compared to just shutting the thing down when I don't need it for a while.

Still, TFA is about putting a server on stand-by. A server is not going to run off a battery most of the time, so it's not very relevant if it's drawing 4 W instead of 1 W. Even if it's not running at the absolute minimum power level, by putting it on any stand-by mode it's going to draw an order of magnitude less power than if it's idle.

S3/S4 sleep works just fine after Windows XP. S0ix is difficult but only implemented on laptops.

I've had S3/4 derp on me enough times to write it all off as unusable.

I've had MacBooks running MacOS do excatly what you describe on a regular basis.

But it's not sleeping.

Same. At least not on desktop machines.

ah so you're a new windows user

The majority of Sleep/Suspend/Hibernate related issues I had on Windows were related to it either not sleeping at all, or waking up at the wrong time.

Annoying when it's a laptop that you've just unplugged and stuffed into your backpack, and you're wondering why there's now an oven on your back. Less fatal for a desktop when the goal is to save power.

For linux, sleep/suspend is also pretty reliably good in my experience.

And because 43 watts is about $200 a year.

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