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I like how you jumped from "Jeffrey Epstein victims" to whores. In particular when referencing teenagers.

Some of them were recruiters so not victims at all. The recruitment was done by deception and lying. 18-19 years old is an adult and still a teenager. The urge to show up back home was massive, many women were ready to take life shortcuts, ready for many sacrifices. Arrangements like this are not 1-3 masterminds and then remaining being exclusively victims, cash in solid currency fills the holes in conscience very well.

> Some of them were recruiters so not victims at all. The recruitment was done by deception and lying.

These would be pimps, not whores.

I think you should just ignore the language and see what he's trying to say. I can definitely see that he's just speaking with the words he knows. 'Whores' = 'Sex Workers', and suddenly it sounds a bit nicer. We have certain standards of language that may be inaccessible to someone who is not a native speaker and does not live in a native english speaking country, it shouldn't take away from the meaning of what people who use inappropriate words are trying to say.

Also pimps don't recruit, they manage. This is human trafficking.

Somehow from the tone of both of you I feel you both assume that a woman around 20 can be only a victim and never a pimp or a recruiter.

No, we just reacting to you conflating victims, whores, pimps, recruiters and for some reason primadonnas into one big group. Under article specifically about Epstein victims and not about Epstein co-defendants.

Also, the "woman around 20" is very new limitation since your original comment included teenagers. Plus, Epstein victims did included underaged girls.

No? Im saying engage him on the merit of his argument and not his terrible choice of words.

a whore, a pimp, a victim, sex worker, primadonna ... I believe an adequate investigation is ongoing and we will know who's who, right?

The article is specifically about where the victims were paid from.

While whore and sex worker is the same thing with different judgement slapped onto it, recruiter, victim, pimp and primadonna have massively different meanings.

I know plenty of eastern europeans from that timeframe who made careers in various areas without resorting to demeaning work. I assume you’re generalizing to justify your own outcome.

If by careers you mean simply making a living... there are very few truly success stories. If your friends were successful in the privatization during the 90s, or in public sector, or fossil fuel related... that's why the rest of the society had to "whore" themselves abroad. Let me guess what they do at most - outsourcing for German of American corporations, maybe some software for gambling?

‘Whore themselves’ as in getting jobs abroad? If that’s what you mean then I stand by my comment, plenty of capable people had success in the sense of achieving a more or less decent lifestyle. Some of them got rich too but those are the outliers and not who I had in mind.

as in "demeaning work"

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