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> Where are all the environmental activists?

I'm not an environmental activist myself, but the first group that came to my mind, Greenpeace, is already talking about it: https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/ohio-train-wreck-could-be-bid...

> no one is reporting on it detail (sic)

Besides the article you're commenting on?

The main environmental groups do seem to be all consumed with climate change issues. You do not any other kind of reporting in the press. And environmental activist have always driven change through the media, so it is a good metric to see where their focus is. Without raising consciousness about issues, little gets done. They don't even talk about recycling anymore.

https://www.kcci.com/article/erin-brockovich-returns-to-east...

Front page: https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/

> The main environmental groups do seem to be all consumed with climate change issues.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/01/01/what-happened-to-90s-e...

The Guardian is a British newspaper.

Please ask around acquaintances who live in Ohio, friends of friends, how well informed they were/are about these events and at what point they got looped in. You can find that out first hand, I believe in you.

I don't have acquaintance in Ohio, so it seems your belief was misplaced. I'm sorry to have disappointed you.

The knee-jerk smearing of journalism has really reached a boil with this event. I have seen this "nobody is reporting on it" comment, without exception, in every comment section of the dozen stories I've seen on the topic, and I barely even read the news.

It's a conservative trope. They're hoping to paint us libruls opposed to chemical spills as hypocrites. They don't have a response do the specific points so they attack the reaction. It's lazy but that's conservatives (in the modern political sense of the term).

Why would you read something that carries very little credibility? Can you blame anyone for having such a knee-jerk reaction?

Most major news outlets were reporting on the derailment shortly after, and yet I see this narrative continually being pushed that nobody reported on it. Yes, we should blame people for pushing such an easily debunked conspiracy theory. The reality is that we live in the social media era, and nobody knew or cared about the derailment until some people screamed about a black cloud on a viral TikTok clip.

People should be held to a bare minimum expectation to inform themselves properly before acting as if our government and media are horrendously corrupt.

Examples of articles on mainstream sites reporting on the derailment soon after the event (some articles showed up on the front pages as well):

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/train-derailment-causes-mas... https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-ohio-evacuations-fir... https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-train-derailment-causes-mass... https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/04/us/east-palestine-ohio-tr...

> Can you blame anyone

Yes I can. For moving the goal-post as well.

> Where are all the environmental activists?

I see this trope on most conservative news outlets and it's honestly outrageous.

The answer is simple: the environmental activists have always been there, but not a lot of people listened, a lot of people actually mocked them, not a lot of news outlets told their story and finally, not enough money went into PACs to actually make a difference. It is indeed sickening. Maybe in the future, we won't be voting for freedom loving regulation hating corrupt morons.

https://peoplesworld.org/article/no-more-bomb-trains-environ...

Yeah, nobody is reporting on it so here we are talking about it on a techy forum. What does nobody mean to you? It has been in my news feeds every day since it happened, and has only increased as the severity has increased.

Reporting doesn’t mean anyone is being called to account. There’s more action on banning TikTok than there is on actual accountability for the causes of this disaster.

Is the disaster over? Are the investigations over? We don't even know what the total cost is going to be from this disaster, so how can we apply fines to the company that will cover those costs? Sure, we can start forcing heads to roll if that's what you want, but how many heads? Oh, right, investigations are not over yet.

Knee jerk reactions can be just as dangerous

How would environmental activist or their actions being reported in media cause further action than it currently is, when it’s being reported and demonstrated against every day?

Environmental activists have always worked in partner with the media. Raising awareness about issues is how things get done. So, media coverage is a good metric to use for overall focus. When is the last time you heard of an environmental group addressing anything other than climate change? Like regular soot pollution or recycling? Hardly anything gets recycled.

> no one is reporting on it detail

Aside from this article and thousands of others like it? If this is the railroad and government's best effort at suppressing news, they're failing miserably.

> Where are all the environmental activists?

You didn't hear that Erin Brockovich is on it? The media has been reporting about her, specifically, for well over a week. And she's not the only one talking about it, and more importantly holding town hall events with East Palestine residents: https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/special-reports/train-dera...

> no one is reporting on it detail

https://news.google.com/search?q=ohio%20train%20disaster&hl=...

This seems to be par for the course for the "new" Ohio. Because there are/were some MAGA people in high office, I would not be surprise if the penalties for protesters are sever.

Also being the new Ohio, maybe the State Gov has no issues ignoring EPA regs :(

But businesses would not be able to survive if they were to behave. Having the people pay for a wee bit of clean up on the corps behalf is an acceptable trade off for the privilege of having the corps be profitable to bring us all of the things. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs /s

Yes, the sarcasm is dripping, but it is not far off from the beliefs of some legislative types. Whether they are MAGA or not is not relevant. We've seen this long before MAGA was a thing.

EPA is a captured entity and not doing anything about it. They trusted Norfolk Southern's own tests rather than doing their own. They're following the corporate line on this and not doing anything about it, similar to everyone else involved whose in a position of power.

This is how the EPA works and they do it that way because that is what the law says. EPA does not show up and test soil, they order responsible parties to test the soil.

That's a major gap, there's no third party oversight, and they have all kinds of incentives to fudge the testing in their favor, including how they collect the samples, what's done in the labs, etc.

If criminal investigative agencies have been caught faking DNA results in criminal cases (SBI lab in NC) because there was a conflict of interest between prosecuting cases and the defendent, you certainly can't trust corporations.

Address your complaints to the Congress. This is not something that is fixable with one weird trick.

Conservatives have gutted enforcement agency regulations and replaced them with corporate self enforcement/self governance. Don't like it? Push for tougher corporate regulation and rewriting the statutes to give power back to the enforcement agencies (that were originally created as a response to events like this happening over and over and over).

The EPA levies millions of dollars in fines against auto shops that do as much as list a few unapproved parts on eBay. They don’t investigate squat.

The idea the EPA needs to follow some vetted and lengthy process with responsible experts is completely false. They have chosen to downplay this on purpose and the actions they are taking are are 100% political.

Same could be said for the FDA and CDC.

It's a problem for most government institutions we rely on to protect us. There is a revolving door between them and the companies they're supposed to keep in check/regulate when it comes to those in high positions.

No, not really.

This accident was reported within minutes of it happening, at least on NBC News. For the several days, it dominated coverage of CNN and Fox News. Fox News is currently spending several hours each day covering this train crash.

The LAT, WaPo, NYT, Chicago Tribune, and Cleveland Plains-Dealer have all discussed the crash and the toxicity of the chemicals involved and their potential effects on humans and the local environment.

What sort of "news suppression" do you think is going on?

Have you ever heard the saying 'be the change you want'? You know there aren't like only 30 environmental activist permits given out in the world, right? There might not even be a permitting process, you can start today.

Or do you mean you want someone else doing hard work with no reward on a subject that is currently personal to you? Ah yeah, the 1960s are over friend. But if you regularly and consistently have donated to environmental orgs in the past give them a call, they do listen to people in their movements.

Classic flamebait lol. Hahaha love it.

The only outside activist that retains credibility and remains pretty steadfast in her mission is Erin Brockovich.

All the others pick and choose their causes based on political opportunism. Indeed where are all the environmental organizations that would typically be pillorying Corp america or an uncaring government? Where are their vocal marches and demands for rectification and justice?

It’s a lot of crickets…

Grass roots may create enough noise by 1000 horns to force the hand of the big media and a foot-dragging, uninterested fed government.

Because environmental orgs have been captured. They are more interested in CO2 and pushing people to buy corp's EV's as a cure-all for the planet.

> Indeed where are all the environmental organizations that would typically be pillorying Corp America or an uncaring government?

They went to the same place that the activists who were protesting Big Pharma went in the last few years. Clearly on some kind of vacation.

The media is covering it, but it seems like concern for CO2 has crowded out some of the more mundane environmental issues. The business lobby have turned most of the environmentalists into paid coporate shills who think if only everyone buys an EV, the planet will "heal".

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