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> a Grindr spokesperson said ... “We are infuriated by the actions of these anti-LGBTQ vigilantes”

Infuriated by these anti-LGBTQ vigilantes! How dare they use the data we sold them which included their locations and device ID and app usage!

What a joke...

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I would assume that any data sales have some sort of written agreement for what the data will be used for. In this case it would be that the people who signed the agreement lied.

> I would assume that any data sales have some sort of written agreement for what the data will be used for

Would you also assume that Grindr would have a privacy policy in the TOS which stipulates this as well? So, data buyer lied and thus made Grindr a liar to you, is Grindr the victim?

At what point do we have to say 'whoops, we got hacked/tricked/sloppy and your data is in the hands of bad guys, our bad' is not gonna fly any more. Shut them down. 1 Billion dollar fine next time Home Mart loses all customer files in a hack or SocialFace sells data to people who cause you to lose your livelihood for being gay.

I agree, fine/prosecute everyone from top to bottom. But you would need to prove that Grindr wasn't doing it's due diligence. (That probably wouldn't be too hard)

1. There may have been a sale without restrictions on purpose or usage of the data attached.

2. There may have been a sale to a third party, from which the group bought the data.

3. The group may have used a shell entity to buy the data.

I had the same response. What exactly should I be outraged about?

Both at the Catholic Church for thinking it's a good idea to snoop into the sexuality of their clergy - it's 2023 ffs, the Lutherans and Old Catholics [1] have shown that gays and women are no threat to spirituality - and at Grindr for not giving the slightest fuck about the safety of their users in a world where simply being gay can and does get people executed.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

The clergy opt in to being part of this abusive sect. Nobody forces them to associate with the church.

If they don't like the treatment they receive at a job, they can quit. Having abusive and discriminatory bosses is a great reason to GTFO.

> The clergy opt in to being part of this abusive sect. Nobody forces them to associate with the church.

The situation particularly with Catholics is a bit more complex than that. A number of Catholic clergy originate from young boys raised in strongly religious families who discover they're gay and go into clergydom after they finish school in the (vain) hope that God may lessen their sexual desires.

They're not forced into church by conventional means, but rather by brainwashing.

> If they don't like the treatment they receive at a job, they can quit. Having abusive and discriminatory bosses is a great reason to GTFO.

Employment conditions outside of the church aren't great. Your choice is either a different faith (such as Old Catholicism) or academia.

Leaving abusive and discriminatory bosses is certainly a good idea, but it doesn't mean that we can't be outraged by the actions of abusive and discriminatory bosses.

Congratulations, you can then also be outraged at the clergy who opt into being part of this abusive sect!

There are exactly two things to be outraged about here: First, that the data was sold, and second, what the people who bought it used it for.

Lenihan's reaction is priceless!

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