Yes?
Why should a company pay for Slack, Office 365 and Notion?
When you can just pay for one Office 365 licence per user?
This also makes sure data is in your tenant and not spread all the fuck over.
Say Susie quits. Now all her stuff is in Slack, Notion, Office 365 and a Google account.
VS it being all in one Office 365 account under one admin panel.
From a game theory perspective, I get why companies do this. The level of management signing these POs don't rely on Notion or Slack the way the people who work for them do.
But this unquestionably makes everything worse. It eliminates real competition on merits and quality, replacing it with market leverage. It's anti-competitive. And Microsoft knows all about being anticompetitive.
It's a lot cheaper. Slack contracts can easily run into the millions per year for a large org, versus... free.
I am not sure what people uses Slack for. But Teams is perfectly adequate in my opinion. Not a good idea to have lots of Knowledge and process in a chat app anyway.
GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34773860
There's even a semiofficial API that works pretty well - you can read Notion notes in VSCode, for example.
Notion has an official API. https://developers.notion.com/
In my opinion, Teams an order of magnitude better than Zoom and at least somewhat better than Slack.
(and even more recently, messages without images suffer from this, albeit at a much less frequency)
Have you never tried to join a meeting where teams made you just sit there for a minute trying to connect until you decide to restart it?
Have you ever called someone at the same time as they call you, ending you with teams saying that they are calling you at the same time as you are calling them and no one can accept the call ?
Have you ever tried to click on an old message from a search result, just to end up nowhere near the message?
Have you never joined late to a meeting because teams didn't notify you that the meeting had started?
If you have an external calendar account linked to outlook, have you never noticed that the linked calendar events don't show up in teams calendar?
Have you ever clicked on a message notification, scrolled a bit up or down to a different message and have teams snap you back to the notification message for no good reason?
Have you never noticed your teams status showing that you are in a meeting when you are not, even without any scheduled meeting in the calendar?
Have you never had your teams randomly hanging and your fans spinning to the max for a few seconds, with teams either getting back to normal or crashing afterwords ?
In a meeting, have you never had to ask the person that is sharing the screen to re-share it, because you are not seeing their screen?
Also in a meeting, have you never had the issue where people's cameras and screen shares are not showing up, forcing you to rejoin the meeting to get a 50% chance of everything working properly?
If not... Well... Lucky you, I guess.
I've been a guest to both Teams and Zoom presentations, for example, and the Teams ones have gone without a hitch but the chat in the Zoom ones was a terrible, jittery mess (the video itself was fine). Teams also yields far more cleanly to wanting to join a meeting with the web app than Zoom does - we all know the company's shenanigans on that end.
For pure chat, Slack does beat Teams IME. The biggest thing is that the channels are ideally used in a more email-like fashion with dedicated topics, kind of what Doist is driving for with Twist, while Slack is just plain group chat.
But overall I've had just about nothing but good experiences with Teams - mobile-desktop handoffs or just adding the phone to not drop out while you're getting coffee is smooth, it doesn't crash, calls work well, managing team tasks in Planner, barebones as it is, is really convenient, as is having team notebooks etc. (though Loop will likely take over that).
As said, being a no account guest on meetings and webinars has been easy and worked well.
The primary issue is just that the fucker's stupidly heavy.
My biggest issue now is remembering and finding a past conversation... was it a chat? Was it in a Team channel somewhere? Was it an email?
You might be hearing opinions from people like me who remember the old Teams experience and have since moved off of it a long time ago.
Teams... does not.