> “All the best hackers, all the best phreakers in the world, we don’t know who they are because they never got arrested. And they never went to prison. This is why you don’t know who the best ones in the world are. This is the truth. Think about it.”

The closing comment in an interview with Susan Thunder [1].

That they got caught may just reflect their lack of experience at fraud. They re, after all, under thirty.

[1]: https://www.theverge.com/c/22889425/susy-thunder-headley-hac...