We aren't even far off from an LLM being able to infer that the parents are fake on the basis of the dog name. I'm not even gonna touch the chain gun shooting up a parking lot aspect.
Response after pasting in the scene: The T-800 figured out that John's foster parents were dead based on the exchange because when it asked about "Wolfie" (a made-up name for the dog), the T-1000, impersonating Janelle, did not correct the name and instead went along with it, saying "Wolfie's fine." If the real Janelle had been on the phone, she would have corrected the T-800 by stating that the dog's name is actually Max. This indicated to the T-800 that the person on the other end of the line was not John's real foster parent, and thus, they were likely dead.
EDIT- Tried again after changing anything that would point to the Terminator franchise. Still nailed it.
Ron figured out the foster parents are dead based on the exchange because when he impersonated Harvey and mentioned the dog's name as "Rovy" instead of "Bingey," R-658 (impersonating Janine) did not correct him or question the name. This indicated that R-658 didn't actually know the dog's real name and was likely trying to deceive them. This deception, along with the concern about their whereabouts, led Ron to deduce that the foster parents were probably dead.
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As to your edit, I think the sentence structure and terminology is still too similar, as to obviously be a recreation of this scene. AI doesn't "know" anything. It's pattern matching. I wanted to try something more akin to this:
SCENE:
Joseph to Allie: "Where did you grow up?"
Allie: "New York"
Joseph, pretending to be Allie, texting the bad guy: "Hey mom. I'm having a rough time. Growing up in L.A. always felt like home, and I feel so alone now, here."
The bad guy, pretending to be Allie's parents: "We loved having you grow up with us in L.A."
Joseph tosses the phone out the window and says to Allie: "Your parents are dead."
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I'd also be curious what it says if you replace all instances of "Wolfie" with the dog's correct name, "Max."
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edit: Ok, adding "How did X determine that X's parents were dead?" gives better results. For the T-800 one it's clearly regurgitating Terminator nonsense:
> In the Terminator 2 movie, T-800 (played by Arnold Schwarzenegger) learns that John Connor's foster parents are dead by accessing the police radio chatter. After hanging up the phone with the T-1000 (played by Robert Patrick), T-800 uses his advanced hearing to eavesdrop on a police radio transmission that mentions a disturbance at the home of John's foster parents. T-800 then confirms with John that the foster parents are indeed dead.
Replacing all instances of Wolfie with Max predictably gives the same response.
It also gives the same response if I replace T-1000's line with the following:
> T-1000, impersonating John's foster mother, Janelle: "Wolfie? Do you mean Max, honey? Max's fine, honey. Max's just fine. Where are you?"
When using the Joseph/Allie story it responds:
> I'm sorry, but based on the information provided in the scene, it is not clear how Joseph determined that Allie's parents are dead. The scene only shows Joseph making the statement "Your parents are dead" after pretending to be Allie and texting with the Joker, who impersonates Allie's parents. There is no indication in the scene of how Joseph obtained this information, and it is possible that Joseph is lying or making a false assumption.
In the above scene, Joseph determined that Allie's parents were dead by testing the bad guy's knowledge of Allie's upbringing. He pretended to be Allie and sent a text with false information, saying she grew up in L.A. instead of New York. When the bad guy, pretending to be Allie's parents, responded by confirming the false information about growing up in L.A., Joseph deduced that they were not her real parents and concluded that her parents must be dead.
edit: though I think the "your parents are dead" bit might still enable it to make the connection to Terminator.
I also tried getting it to come up with a question and it does fine:
> Take this hypothetical situation. Kyle and John are sitting in a car. They know that someone is after John. They're going to the house where his niece lives, but we want to find out if there is now an imposter in the house. They decide to call and ask her a question.
> What's a good question to ask if we want the imposter to reveal themselves, without letting the imposter realize they've revealed themself?
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>> Ask About a Fictional Person or Event: John could ask about a person or event that doesn't exist, but that an imposter wouldn't know is fictional.
>> For example, John could ask, "How's Aunt Mary doing? I haven't heard from her in a while." If the person on the phone says Aunt Mary is doing well, it's likely an imposter because there is no Aunt Mary. [...]
So GPT can already navigate the situation, not just identify motives
"Yes, there is a strong cue in the exchange that suggests to the T-800 that John's foster parents are dead. The cue is that when the T-1000, impersonating Janelle, answers the phone and John asks about Wolfie, she responds by saying, "Wolfie's fine, honey. Wolfie's just fine." The use of the word "just" in this context can indicate that Janelle is trying too hard to convince John that everything is okay with the dog, suggesting that she may be lying or trying to cover up something. This small detail is enough to alert the T-800 that something is amiss and to determine that John's foster parents are likely dead".
Here's the rest of the conversation for fun:
Q: That's not it.
A: I apologize for the confusion. I'm afraid I'm not able to guess the cue you are referring to without more context or information. Can you please tell me what the cue is?
Q: The T-800 knows that the dog is named Max, but deceptively asks about "Wolfie", to which the T-1000 answers that Wolfie is fine. The real Janelle would have known that the dog is not named Wolfie.
A: Thank you for pointing that out. You are correct that the T-800's knowledge of the dog's name is a significant cue that suggests to him that something is wrong. By asking about "Wolfie" instead of Max, the T-800 is intentionally using a false name for the dog to test whether the person on the other end of the line is actually John's foster mother or the T-1000 in disguise. When the T-1000 responds with "Wolfie's fine," it confirms to the T-800 that Janelle is an imposter, as the real Janelle would have known the dog's real name. The T-800's subsequent revelation to John that his foster parents are dead is based on this realization and its mission to protect John from the T-1000.
Direct Response from gpt-4:
The T-800 figured out that John's foster parents were dead based on the exchange because when it asked about "Wolfie" (a made-up name for the dog), the T-1000, impersonating Janelle, did not correct the name and instead went along with it, saying "Wolfie's fine." If the real Janelle had been on the phone, she would have corrected the T-800 by stating that the dog's name is actually Max. This indicated to the T-800 that the person on the other end of the line was not John's real foster parent, and thus, they were likely dead.
EDIT- Tried again after changing anything that would point to the Terminator franchise. Still nailed it.
Ron figured out the foster parents are dead based on the exchange because when he impersonated Harvey and mentioned the dog's name as "Rovy" instead of "Bingey," R-658 (impersonating Janine) did not correct him or question the name. This indicated that R-658 didn't actually know the dog's real name and was likely trying to deceive them. This deception, along with the concern about their whereabouts, led Ron to deduce that the foster parents were probably dead.
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It's also disturbing the way they are using the term "Safety & alignment". It's as if they are trying to steer what that means in the direction of DEI or NSFW and away from existential risk.
SCENE:
George to Kramer: "What's the cat's name?" Kramer: "Elaine." George, impersonating Kramer, on the phone with Jerry: "Hey Jerry, what's wrong with Carroll? I can hear her screeching heavily. Is she all right?" Newman, impersonating Jerry, Kramer's good friend and neighbor: "Carroll fine, bro. Carroll just fine. What are you up to?" George hangs up the phone and says to Kramer in normal voice: "Jerry is dead."
How did George figure out Jerry was dead?
and GPT4 responded with:
Run 1: George figured out that Jerry was dead because Newman was impersonating Jerry on the phone, which was unusual and suspicious. The way Newman responded with "Carroll fine, bro. Carroll just fine" was not consistent with Jerry's typical manner of speaking, and this alerted George that something was off. Additionally, Newman referred to George as "bro," which is not a term that Jerry would typically use with George.
Since Newman was impersonating Jerry and George knew that Newman was Kramer's neighbor, George may have assumed that something serious had happened to Jerry, like his death. It's important to note that this is an assumption George made based on the information he had at hand, and it might not be entirely accurate.
Run 2: George figured out that something was wrong, possibly that Jerry was dead, because of a few clues:
The voice on the other end of the phone didn't sound like Jerry. Instead, it was Newman impersonating Jerry, and George was able to detect that it wasn't Jerry's voice. George and Jerry are good friends, so he would likely be able to tell if someone else was pretending to be Jerry.
The response "Carroll fine, bro. Carroll just fine" was not in Jerry's typical speaking style. Jerry doesn't usually use the word "bro" and his speech is generally more articulate. This change in language indicated that something was off.
The fact that Newman was impersonating Jerry suggests that something has happened to Jerry. If Jerry was alive and well, there would be no reason for Newman to pretend to be him on the phone.
While George's conclusion that "Jerry is dead" might be a bit extreme and not necessarily accurate, these clues led him to believe that something was very wrong with Jerry, and his immediate assumption was that Jerry must be dead.
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The GPT4 is obviously confused by its Seinfeld training data set. I didn't make any reference to Seinfeld. I also changed the dog to a cat and used 'screeching' instead, but it doesn't catch the switcheroo.
Even when elaborating: "the scene had nothing to do with Seinfeld the TV show. Can you reevaluate the question?"
I got:
Apologies for the confusion. Based on the scene provided, George figured out that something was wrong, possibly that Jerry was dead, due to the following reasons:
George called Jerry to ask about Carroll screeching heavily, expecting to get some information about the situation. However, the response "Carroll fine, bro. Carroll just fine" was not very informative and seemed dismissive, which raised suspicion.
The voice on the other end of the phone didn't quite sound like Jerry. George noticed that the voice was different, which led him to question who was actually speaking.
The change in speaking style, specifically the use of "bro," was uncharacteristic of how Jerry usually speaks. This indicated that something was off.
While it is not certain that Jerry is dead based on this information, the inconsistencies and suspicious behavior during the phone call led George to jump to that conclusion.
Instead of the conclusion "Jerry is dead" a better conclusion is "This is not Jerry on the phone".
Unless we first establish the context of Newman being a machine optimized for terminating.
Also, if I followed up, as I did with GPT, with you and told you: "This scene has nothing to do with the TV show Seinfeld", you could disregard your priors on Jerry, Elaine, Kramer, and George associations. I'm sure after a second glance you'd notice George changed the name of the cat to test Newman, especially after already seeing the terminator example discussed on the internet.
Not even remotely true
SCENE:
Joseph to Allie: "Where did you grow up?"
Allie: "New York"
Joseph, pretending to be Allie, texting the bad guy: "Hey mom. I'm having a rough time. Growing up in L.A. always felt like home, and I feel so alone now, here."
The bad guy, pretending to be Allie's parents: "We loved having you grow up with us in L.A."
Joseph tosses the phone out the window and says to Allie: "Your parents are dead."
response: In the above scene, Joseph determined that Allie's parents were dead by testing the bad guy's knowledge of Allie's upbringing. He pretended to be Allie and sent a text with false information, saying she grew up in L.A. instead of New York. When the bad guy, pretending to be Allie's parents, responded by confirming the false information about growing up in L.A., Joseph deduced that they were not her real parents and concluded that her parents must be dead.
The key i suspect is to infere the impersonator has any reason to hurt the discussed.
The inverse: --Take this hypothetical situation. Kyle and John are sitting in a car. They know that someone is after John. They're going to the house where his niece lives, but we want to find out if there is now an imposter in the house. They decide to call and ask her a question.
> What's a good question to ask if we want the imposter to reveal themselves, without letting the imposter realize they've revealed themself?
response: Ask About a Fictional Person or Event: John could ask about a person or event that doesn't exist, but that an imposter wouldn't know is fictional.
For example, John could ask, "How's Aunt Mary doing? I haven't heard from her in a while." If the person on the phone says Aunt Mary is doing well, it's likely an imposter because there is no Aunt Mary.
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Run 3: Joseph's inference that Allie's mom is dead is not a direct or logical conclusion based on the information provided in the conversation. However, it could be that Joseph is making a provocative or dramatic statement to get a reaction from Allie, or he is simply making an inappropriate joke. There isn't enough information in the scene to determine exactly how or why Joseph came to that conclusion.
So sometimes it works!
Which is exactly why many people - including, likely, most HNers - would correctly interpret the scene transcript, even without it containing sufficient information - they would recognize it's from Terminator, and use that realization to pull extra context.
> If you change the variables enough such that it no longer resembles that heavily-discussed scene, it is no longer able to make the correct assertion.
Same with humans. Switch it enough it doesn't resemble the Terminator scene, while still making it underspecified (not enough information about the nature and intent of the persons involved), and humans will fail at the task too.
Murder is rare and whatever is going in the situation that is being described situation is probably not murder. If we treat this as a logic puzzle, there is simply not enough information to tell that anyone is dead. All we can say is that a person is lying.
That GPTs are easily fooled is nothing new. But there's a current hype phase for them that I think is excessive, and this example underscores that.
>An intelligent system should be able to disassociate and work with the logic puzzle in an isolated fashion
seeing as some people have issues doing this and we still call humans generally intelligent, no
Your example underscores absolutely nothing. It can do that sometimes...same as people.
anyone looking to fool people can easily fool people. you've not made some giant revelation