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The article you linked is about ALL STEM majors taken combined. Computer Science degrees have a much much better placement.

Also the above commenter mentioned that it needs to be a “real” comp sci degree, not one that calls itself comp sci but never makes you learn classes like Data structures, algorithms, etc. There are “fake” CS degrees out there, and big employers know they are no good.

My university CS department has a 100% placement every. single. year. Including the last 3 years, and it’s like not even a top 100 school in the US.

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No school has 100% job placement. That's literally impossible. I went to a top 20 school and job placement was barely 50% but claimed it had 95%. The only reason I knew they were lying is because the one of the professors I researched under told me the statistics were falsified to make the program look good.

For CS grads, it’s got to be close. I’m sure it’s not exactly 100%, every year, forever, but I’m well involved in the program and can’t think of a single student since I graduated that didn’t land a job out of college, and the program advertises it as 95%.

No one from there goes to FAANG, it’s not a prestigious enough school for that. But there is an endless demand in large companies like government contractors, banks, the small web dev shops, etc. that need programmers for 60k$ out of school.

This is a bias, the people you interacted with that shared their results and told you that they found a job reinforce your believe in the rate. But the reality is that often, the ones not finding opportunities do not talk about not finding opportunities.

The professors I knew openly told me and our classes how the system worked. And that the majority of individuals will not find a job. There are too many new graduates to new positions. Many of them were fellows and board members of the ACM. I was active in the student group and got to know these people and the outcomes. These guys often share results and data they collect privately with other researchers. And people are failing at an alarming scale. But you won't find those people on this site, and you wouldn't because of the main demographic of this forum.

It’s possible your story is true for bigger schools, im not sure on that. My school graduates 5-10 people per year, and I add all of them on LinkedIn, every year. So I feel I have a good handle on how many are getting jobs.

> program advertises it as 95%

School advertised job placement percentages do not care whether or not you got a job in your studied field. That's how they lie about such high percentages. As long as you entered the workforce, it's a success.

That doesn't seem right. I went to a state school. I think CS grads had a marketed 90ish% placement rate. Talking to others in my classes right before graduation it seems we had at least 80% of people with jobs lined up prior to graduation.

It's not. It's often due to under reporting. And sometimes the blatant falsification of data. But you don't really need to do that when only a small percentage of individuals reply to your survey. And thats how you get a high placement rate. You also need to understand that for the hundreds of thousands of CS, IT degrees that are awarded each year only a few thousand jobs exist at the entry level. You see reports of hundreds of thousands of job postings but the vast majority are just repeats of the same listing.

Please post something to back up what you're saying. Right now it sounds like you're a conspiracy theorist, or maybe even troll with that throw away.

There are about 65k CS undergraduate degrees issued each year.

I don't think the BLS is double counting jobs. I believe they go to the companies for that info, not random job boards.

But whats the 10 year retention look like?

Don't listen to him any program claining 100% retention or anything around it is falsifying their claims. Working at walmart or target can qualify as that. Often, the only people that report on this are the ones that find jobs which is a small minority. It's essentially meaningless.

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