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It's sad how people still believe Russian propaganda, and these claims have been constant throughout the war:

- We didn't bomb the civilians, that was Ukraine.

- The torture chambers weren't ours, they were found in Ukraine.

- Ukraine are nazis (no comments on the Russian white supremacists in the military).

- We did not blow up Nord Stream 2, that was Ukraine (or the US).

- We did not blow up the dam, that was Ukraine.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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Fool me once, you invade a country and lie about everything.

Ukraine exaggerates their victories to get weapons.

Russia lies about war crimes, murdering civilians, rape, etc.

It's called "fog of war". If you believe everything Ukraine/US/EU says you are just as much as a fool as if you did believing Russia.

Of course you shouldn't blindly believe everything one side says, but saying that Russia is as trustworthy as the rest of the world (barring a dozen countries at the bottom of the democracy ranking) is just wrong.

One said Ukrainians are nazis and satanists and that NATO wants to invade Russia. And that Russia won't invade in 2022.

The other side said Russia wants to invade and that it will invade in 2022.

Believing that when there's 2 sides the truth is always in the middle is foolishness.

I agree with the intention of this comment. However, "fog of war" usually refers to the situation the fighting soldiers and commanders are in, not to the situation the ordinary population. It refers to the fact, that the soldiers and commanders themselves need to fight. Where they need to base their decisions on an understanding of the situation high uncertainty.

The OP "believes" that the Russians bombed out their own pipeline, a thing not even mentioned by the Western press anymore (it's all a "blob" for them at this point).

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Pearl-clutching alone is not a valid justification to end a discussion.

It’s not pearl-clutching when you have seen missiles and drones flying towards your house like I have.

This "whataboutism" is perfectly valid, because it highlights double standards. Whataboutism isn't a blanket logical fallacy, it's applicable in certain scenarios.

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