Oh christ, this nonsense again. The switch to systemd was a practical engineering decision. Shoving ads into the Start menu has totally different intentions, and totally different effects on user experience.

I tried Devuan. It sucked. It booted slower, it was more difficult to set up, and apt upgrade made things explode more frequently that it does in Debian. If all you did on your computer was browse the internet, you'd never know the difference. If you use your computer for anything more sophisticated than that, Devuan offered a markedly worse experience. I don't care what you think of Poettering.

Comparing a not-for-profit that made one decision you didn't like to a company that has a long history of screwing over the entire personal computing ecosystem for commercial gain is delusional.

> against the wishes of its userbase

Against the wishes of a (vocal) part of its userbase. There's plenty of people running Debian that welcome the switch to systemd.

Debian is kinda being forced to move. Without systemd, half of the newer feature in Gnome are unusable.

to be frank, it is not a hard requirements... But debian don't have the resources to support both use cases