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Does that disqualify their problems? I don't get your sentiment.

MensLib is overflowing with the kind of male feminist who will sling around "incel" as an insult for even the most milquetoast of takes.

And since the Red Pill documentary (bad name, middling content) was mentioned, I'll also point out that one of the feminists who featured in it was later outed as a sex pest, despite desperately trying to position himself as One of the Good Ones™:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kimmel

At best, MensLib types are annoying sycophants. At worst, they're wolves in sheep's clothing. In both cases, it's comedy.

That's not to say that Andrew Tate et al. aren't issues as well, but at least they're dressed appropriately.

> outed as a sex pest

Accused. Last I checked these were different things.

Perhaps you should have checked with him.

http://www.europrofem.org/audio/ep_kimmel/kimmel.htm

What do you think he is saying there?

> Surely, these questions of violence and sexuality are an arena where we need strong measures to make clear our intolerance for date and acquaintance rape, laws that protect women, social attitudes that believe women who do come forward.

I believe he's saying exactly what he wrote - that we should believe women who come forward. Note that he specifically mentions "social attitudes" separately from law/process.

And the women were believed. Their accusation was not dismissed, but taken seriously, an investigation started etc.

However, that is not the same thing as "accusation = guilt".

We live in the former world, not in the latter. Fortunately. And I am pretty sure he was describing the former, not the latter. And if he was describing the former, then he was simply wrong.

You seem to be using a different definition of "believe" to the rest of the English-speaking world [1]. Belief usually comes after investigation, it's certainly not a prerequisite.

If he meant that accusations should be taken seriously and investigated, those words were available to him. He chose "believe", and now I choose to believe his accusers.

As for the world we live in, you're thankfully correct (for the most part). Kimmel was an activist who wanted to change the world, and they do occasionally make progress in that direction [2][3].

[1] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/believe

[2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65531380

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/us/college-sex-assault-ru...

Not if you #believewomen...

Ah, apologies, I didn't understand your comment.

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