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Wayland can't crash, it's a protocol. That's like saying "http" crashed. Chrome or Firefox can crash, but not http. Gnome and KDE are Wayland implementations. I'm using SwayWM which uses wlroots as its Wayland implementation and it's solid as a rock.

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You either understood the point and purposely ignored it or just missed it completely. The parent reply clearly means support for wayland, not the protocol.

Being pendantic about the definition doesn't help the discussion at all. It is the type of response you would get on the red website

I read it again and it does not seem obvious that they were talking about apps rather than the WM itself. Please explain to me where that's made clear.

I agree, but I'm curious what the "red website" is? I thought maybe reddit or lobste.rs, but they seem more blue to me. Unless because their logos/favicons are red? Seriously not trying to be annoying, generally curious.

I don't know if you mean blue as in politics, but I mean the literal color red. And well, red is on its name :p

The orange website and the red website are popular slang that you hear around here from time to time

I meant the literal color, too! I guess the new website does have some reddish elements. The old one was entirely blue [1], and I'm pretty sure "reddit" is just a play on "read it".

Ah, full circle, back to being uselessly pedantic. :) But I was really curious, didn't know "red website" was slang for it (well familiar with "orange website").

[1] https://old.reddit.com

> The orange website and the red website are popular slang that you hear around here from time to time.

A Google search for "the orange website" returns a lot of results about Hacker News, "the red website" doesn't return anything about Reddit.

I guess that raises an interesting point. The implementations are so divergent that there are probably a lot of very different crashing bugs in all the various pieces that can make a Wayland desktop. As opposed to Xorg, where bugs can be fixed in a single tree.

*ahem*

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux...

I used to find this funny but having had the misfortune of having to hyper define stuff to Stallman on multiple occasions... the joke starts to feel like remembering a lite trauma

I mean RMS is cool and totally awesome but dang it... there are just some things. This goes for everyone I guess.

I agree. Switching from glibc + coreutils to musl + busybox is much more like "switching operating system" than switching from Linux + systemd + GNOME to HURD + SysVInit + KDE.

Obviously not. GNU hasn't been "the operating system" in at least several decades.

Unless you don't use the GNU userland... some are using busybox/Linux, right?

Yeah, it's only GNU/Linux if it uses the GNU OS API with the Linux kernel, as opposed to GNU/Hurd for instance, which also uses the GNU OS API.

Dude the "OS API", in the Linux world, is the syscall interface. Some programs use the wrappers provided by GNU libc, others use the wrappers provided by musl, others yet (such as Go programs) issue syscalls directly.

Hopefully they will one day use my zero-overhead syscall wrappers with sum type niche-value-optimized error handling https://github.com/Cons-Cat/libCat

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