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It's also painfully ironic, that in early 2022 we accused russia of "war crimes" for using cluster munitions and this week just signed over hundreds of cluster munitions to ukraine...
Crimea and Donbas should be forfeited in a diplomatic matter to settle further tensions. At the very least Zelensky should be replaced with someone who's willing to negotiate. It's sad, however continuing to "fight" will just erase any and all genetic lineage in ukraine. We've also already failed when it comes to "weakening russia" because the west already ran out of artillery ammunition.
I don't understand why the only path out of this to you is continued war. Knowing the history of Georgia what happened in Ukraine is not surprising. If anything, this is a failure of American and Western geopolitics.
This vaguely reminds me of the appeasement of WW2. Why should Ukraine give up territories instead of Russia when pursuing for peace? Ukraine didn't invade Russia.
> It's also painfully ironic, that in early 2022 we accused russia of "war crimes" for using cluster munitions and this week just signed over hundreds of cluster munitions to ukraine...
Is Ukraine planning on using those munitions on Russian civilians? It's not like the US has a moral ground on war crimes but giving munitions to an ally is not the same thing as a war crime.
> If anything, this is a failure of American and Western geopolitics.
Yes, let's blame the US and western allies when Russia is conducting "special operations" in Ukraine. Why do you think Finland and Sweden joined and planned to join NATO, respectively when historically their populace was against joining NATO? Ukraine too, I might add.
This one especially explains my position. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJ4JIoGnzc
Currently things are stalled. But the overall trajectory is that they utterly destroyed Russia's initial attempt at immediate conquest (of at least Kyiv, Kharkhiv, Odesa). And have retaken about 50 percent of the territory that Russia initially occupied, and have imposed disproportionate losses on the aggressor in basically every category.
Crimea and Donbas should be forfeited in a diplomatic matter to settle further tensions.
Currently this idea has essentially zero support in Ukraine (outside perhaps those regions).
Do you think the Ukrainians are not capable of evaluating both the cost of the fighting so far (and the cost of the alternative) -- and making a decision about these matters on their own?
Why do you feel you need to decide for them?
This numbers dont seem like they exist in reality.
> Bloodshed needs to end
I agree! Russia must leave Ukraines 1991 borders and never come back, im sure you agree with me as you are anti-war.
> Sad day to see HN is now solidly pro war.
I think its less pro war and more defending yourself from a regime that seems to want to wipe your existence off the map.
Capitulating to Hitler didn't help and capitulating to Putin won't help.