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That's an odd take, literally any other place on the Internet lists legitimate grievances for the riots rather than "unchecked mass migration" which serves just to dismiss the discontent of people.

The people are discontent because they're stuffed into ghettos that are totally separate from French society. This produces a subculture that exists in opposition to that society, look into the intense shit French Muslims say about the broader nation.

There's an incompatibility here that's not getting any better. The French suck at assimilating migrants, the migrants they accept don't seem to want to assimilate, and that doesn't work.

It has 0 to do with, say, Indians in America. It's more like how the Swedes now have a problem with bombings, exclusive to their refugees.

I hate to break it to you but the internet is in fact overflowing with illegitimate takes.

It's alarming how comfortable people have become on HN to announce their xenophobia so openly lately. Besides its ideological ugliness, it also seems to take a fairly narrow view of history. If this is "because" of anything, surely it's because of the authoritarian belief that populations must be protected from themselves to ensure their comfort, that liberty is a small price to pay for safety. Civil unrest is just a convenient excuse and you play right into their hands by othering your fellow person, regardless of where their parents were born.

I'm tired of hearing the term "xenophobia" used to describe this; because it makes it an all-or-nothing.

Most people aren't like that. Most people are OK with immigrants; the disagreement comes in for how many we should have, what ages they should be, where they should be from, when they affect the local economy, etc. Calling them "xenophobic" for disagreeing with a particular policy just breeds resentment, which manifests in, surprise, political action from the only people who seem interested in listening.

Your appeal to soothing political divides is wasted because I'm just a guy on the internet, not a politician or any other type of person interested in building coalitions with anyone who would lay blame at the feet of immigration. Whether it stokes someone's resentment or not is a displeasure they'll have to live with, I suppose. My point was that it's an irrelevant and unnecessarily divisive take that fits into a recent pattern of derailing comment threads with ideological bait. It sucks to come into so many threads lately to see crowing about illusory boogeymen like immigration or an alleged nefarious trans agenda or some other deluded neo-con conspiracy. It's lazy and a distraction. And if you sincerely oppose policies like the one in the OP, you can't look away from how one serves the other.

>It's alarming how comfortable people have become on HN to announce their xenophobia so openly lately

Since when is it xenophobic to not be ok with uncontrolled mass migration?

Do you also leave your house the door unlocked and open for anyone to come in as they please? If you don't, and you lock it, you're xenophobic.

People are ok with immigrants, they don't care what skin color you have, they just don't want uncontrolled illegal immigrants who don't care about integration and adapting to the local culture and value system.

Regardless of my personal feelings about immigration, the issue I was delineating is that it's a huge logical leap at best, wildly off-topic and incendiary at worst. Given your propensity for sharing conspiracy theories both in this thread and elsewhere on HN, I don't believe we're going to have a productive conversation about this either way, so let's just not.

You started calling people xenofobic for rasing valid concerns and now you want everyone to drop it?

And which conspiracy theory did I share? I do believe you're delusional.

I agree with you, and so does huge swathes of the West. This person has The Correct Opinions, but those opinions are driving the working class into the arms of Le Pen, Meloni etc.

This is not going to end well.

This is overly reductive and ignores any other possible contributing factors. There is still the unresolved discontent behind the previous riots before the current ones.

You clearly know fuck all about France.

Rioting as a means of protest is the most French thing ever, on both left and right was well as the middle.

French “street politics” are fucking hardcore.

While I don't necesaarily disagree, in the case of france at least they can't really complain after completely destroying libya with its pals.

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