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Communism, Marxism, Fascism, and other "everything I don't like is ____" names aren't the same thing as totalitarianism.

You can tell because this is a right-wing government trying to do this while Communism and Marxism are left-wing ideologies.

Oh, pity the (faux?) naive child who has been brought up on a diet of McCarthyism.

You’re so scared of reds under the bed that you can’t see what the (increasingly far-)right wing are doing to you.

Communism and Fascism are solely vehicles to and end. Those who govern desire more control no matter what system gets them there. “Whatever works!”

Precisely. And if you can convince your rabid supporters that you aren’t “the other lot” they will let you do unspeakable things.

Based on what? Where is extreme right wing you are talking about?

Pretty much everywhere? The tories are shifting further right. In the US the republicans have been on a path straight to totalitarism (some of their members are calling to forbid Democrats from voting when they move states), Israel, many European countries have growing far right parties who are typically just a thin layer of legitimacy on top of far right ideology (take the AFD in Germany or the FN in France who have significant contacts with Neonazi activists).

Wake up. Quick.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braver...

A right wing, especially a "far" right wing, government would have mass deportations, stop immigration, promote nationalist ideology, and not allow let alone themselves push things such as pride and other left wing social values.

There doesn't exist any single example of this in the Anglo-sphere, nor the UK itself.

You are familiar with the Rwanda Plan, I take it?

And maybe the Madagascar Plan?

Yea a faction tried, but on balance of power were denied, and the overall effect was still a net increase of immigration.

"net migration to the UK rose to a record high of around 504,000 in the year to June 2022, driven by an increase in the number of non-European Union nationals.[13] The government registered 45,755 people arriving by small boats in 2022, 60% higher than in 2021, according to the Home Office. That has led to a record backlog of 161,000 asylum cases."

A right wing government in rule would not allow this. It happened and continues to, therefore a right wing government is not in power.

>And maybe the Madagascar Plan?

Right now. Obviously they have been in power in the past. If net foreign migration is positive by large margin, then clearly they are not effectively in power now. If the courts overrule any marginal plans to change this (which themselves don't affect the overall numbers materially) then they are not in power now.

The overall net numbers are intentional. If they wanted to decrease them they could do so by dealing with the backlog of claims and providing safe routes.

But it’s the divisive propaganda that they want. Sod the humans.

If you want to define right wing rule as only "talking about doing right wing things" then ok. I define it as doing them and achieving them, which would amount to actually stopping immigration and starting deportations to equal net negative immigration. So as to your point exactly, the net positive numbers are intentional, or are not stoppable for whatever inconsequential right wing elements exist as they don't have the power to achieve right wing outcomes.

The sum-total of political power when you mix all factions together, and judge things by results of what is happening, not only what is said, then constant positive net foreign migration and an overall consensus of this continuing doesn't support right wing government rule.

>do so by dealing with the backlog, providing safe routes.

If you mean safe route back to their country of origin, that is certainly a possible option that a right wing government might pursue. Since that isn't happening, there isn't a true right wing government in power and hasn't been for some time (have to include the courts here too).

There are factions that maybe talk a good game, and don't move the needle on policy or even consensus rhetoric. That's not a point in favor of right wing politics being in power.

we are currently under a right wing government whose media friends smeared their only real opposition as... a dangerous communist who would destroy the country. their main opposition now are copying more and more of their policies.

they are not, in fact, communists and are pretty far away from ever being left of centre.

I think this is tribal view of the word. Reality is much more complex than left vs right. The political elite is pushing this false dichotomy too.

A Right wing government would stop mass immigration and not promote leftist social values as current UK government/establishment does. Far away from right wing, certainly not nationalist in any way.

are you trying to suggest that the tories are "promoting leftist social values"? considering their mediocre at best treatment of minority groups, [citation needed]

also one of their most controversial bills would lead to "illegal" immigrants being sent to Rwanda

skewed American perspectives aside, I genuinely fail to see how anyone would interpret them as anything left of centre-right

> skewed American perspectives aside, I genuinely fail to see how anyone would interpret them as anything left of centre-right

And this is their prestige. At least the one-nation Tories can see through it, even though they were expelled in the 2019 putsch.

I’m not sure why a conservative government would want to implement Marxism or where Marx mentioned censorship of this sort.

Didn’t you know? Marx was a hedge fund banker too!

</s>, obviously…

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