We are very fortunate to continually develop and tweak a brand new type of vaccine during a global pandemic, I agree. But why the quotation marks?
Absolute nonsense.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-p...
https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/wQkRVy7FUq2G5Cnl1EPz8OgRNr...
So unless you were in a high risk category for death from covid, was it necessary?
More nonsense. I will show you with actual information:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-co...
https://www.axios.com/2021/10/18/cdc-data-unvaccinated-coron...
Sounds like a clear example of natural immunity building due to the vaccinated crowd still transmitting anyway.
This stuff is getting comical.
Your second graph.. "cases OR deaths". Quality science.
Sounds like a clear example of natural immunity building due to the vaccinated crowd still transmitting anyway.
You are basing this on nothing. You linked nothing, you have no evidence of any kind. You are hallucinating what you want to believe.
Your second graph.. "cases OR deaths". Quality science.
One of many graphs that I linked. You said:
So unless you were in a high risk category for death from covid, was it necessary?
Of course it was, you can tell by the overwhelming amount of evidence out there, some of it I linked here.
https://images.jifo.co/2547186_1625656875106.png
There is a huge spectrum in the severity of an infection. Vaccines reduce the severity and duration of everything. Some people can test positive without symptoms.
You would know this if you cared about being informed of reality.
Let's see where you get your information.
Think a little. Time passes between doses. Even your own study shows the doses only reduce transmission a little. This transmission are occuring as time goes by. Thus if you check later doses against earlier, yes you'll see a reduction in transmission. Because tons of people were spreading it.
You could have done this study with chocolate chip cookies over time and said "yes, 6 months of eating cookies reduces covid transmission by 11%"
You are ignoring evidence and hallucinating your own results while repeating your claims over and over.
You don't need a link
Yes you do. You can't explain why you think what you do.
Think a little.
Think a little less and leave it up to the experts.
yes, 6 months of eating cookies reduces covid transmission by 11%"
Over 6 months the difference in cases for vaccinated was a tiny fraction compared to unvaccinated. I showed you this already. How do you explain this?
You haven't linked anything of your own, you haven't backed up any of your claims, you haven't explained why you think what you do and you haven't explained where you get your information.
Vaccine denial is reality denial.
All you did was show me a prison study that can be refuted by basic logic, and a graph of labeling that made zero sense for anyone with a brain.
You didn't link anything.
There are full time researchers with phds that go more in depth into why you're basically wrong about what you say.
Prove it. Show any evidence at all.
If you want to trust the summary generators you read of faulty logic, go for it.
I showed you multiple graphs.
I linked you six different studies and graphs. You linked nothing. You have no evidence. You just keep repeating yourself and saying 'think about it bro'. Show some evidence, show some data, show some statistics, show some real information.
That is why I didn't give you a link. You seem to have reading comprehension problems. It's possible you shouldn't trust what you read anyway, so maybe ask someone you trust to summarize all the anti covid vaccination data and talking points.
What do you want me to do? Go into Google or youtube and find you one document or video to explain what has taken people dozens of videos to slowly compile and explain? I dont know you or like you even at this point, so I'm not investing the time.
I have consistently sent them to friends, from nurses to doctors to oracle vps. All slowly convinced. Maybe if you had a friend like me you'd be slowly convinced too, or maybe your smarter than the doctors and PhD level engineers I know.
Off the top of my head, look up the Dark Horse Podcast on youtube. That is the easiest lowest level stuff my mom can understand and enjoy. You can of course lookup more by listening to what they talk about and going deeper from there.
Go into Google or youtube and find you one document
Yeah, find one document. Why is it so hard for you to show a shred of evidence?
Dark Horse Podcast
This guy?
https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/07/05/local-covid-vaccine-sk...
Weinstein, host of the DarkHorse Podcast, spent almost three hours talking to the scion of the Kennedy dynasty, who says childhood vaccines are linked to autism, Sirhan B. Sirhan didn’t kill his father, 5G cell towers are being built to control our behavior, and Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates conspired with Big Pharma to profit from COVID vaccines. (None of these claims is true.)
Weinstein, a former professor at The Evergreen State College, became a right-wing celebrity during the pandemic after going on Joe Rogan’s podcast and touting a livestock medicine called ivermectin as a cure for COVID, a claim that has been disproven by multiple studies (“Drug & Pony Show,” WW, Sept. 15, 2021), including one described in the Journal of the American Medical Association in October.
You can of course lookup more
Everything I look up shows the opposite of what you say. This is kook conspiracy theorist nonsense. Get it together, this is no way to go through life.
I'm going to simplify this for you. At the start, media and proponents used a mantra saying the covid vaccine is "safe and effective".
This was a lie, no question, at the time it was said. The safety trials are dubious at best, and CLEARLY no long term safety tests could have been done since there wasn't a long term span of time between when it was created and released.
So they lied. Exaggerated heavily at best.
If I catch someone lying, I don't trust them anymore. End of story. And if you can say a lie over and over, about a person's health, with a straight face, you are a sociopath IMO, not just a liar. Thus, the discussion is over for me.
When I listen to doctors and phds that are covid vaccine skeptics, they make sense to me. When I listen to proponents, they seem like shills at best and evil liars at worst.
You live your life your way and I'll live it my way. But I will leave the country (Poland or Mexico, both will allow bribes to bypass any government idiocy) before someone gets me to inject something into me I don't agree with. Luckily it didn't get to that because I'm self employed. I'm not made of money, but I wouldn't even take the vaccine for $100k. I might consider it for $1million, but I'd consider it a massive personal failure of mine. That's how strongly I feel about it.
Go off and believe that 5G towers are government mind control and that parasite medicine magically kills viruses, but don't subject other people to this lunacy.
I also never mentioned 5g, nor did the Dark horse podcast guy. His guest did.
I don't think 'horse paste' can help with a virus, but I trust it to be safer than an untested 'vaccine'. The original thought process was because people in malaria regions were having much lower severity of covid symptoms even when infected, which people thought might be related to their uses of certain anti parasite medicines. Yes. Would I have taken it? No, unless I spoke with a doctor I trust and he thought it was a worthwhile risk.
I personally don't even think covid was anything more than a severe flu that hurt obese people and people that don't have enough vitamin D. Even the CDC says that. Seems like if covid came around in 1940 we would have all been fine.
I'm going to go drink a sugar free tonic water so I don't catch covid. Good luck out there. (Ps, that's a joke)
Every conspiracy kook says the same thing. They repeat the same talking points and claims as everyone else. When you ask for evidence they can't give you any. They tell you to find it yourself. That's not how it works. If you claim something you give evidence or expect people to dismiss it.
untested 'vaccine'
That's the one with 12.7 BILLION doses given that ended the pandemic right?
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...
Goodbye.
Why can't you back up a single thing you say with a shred of evidence?
Even Fauci himself said, I heard the interview myself, that while a young male is more likely to end up in the ER from a heart issue from the vaccine than he is from covid, that is a worthwhile risk because we know how to treat heart issues and are still learning how to treat covid.
Honestly, it's years in. If you can listen to what Fauci said about heart damage and still think it was proven safe, we are just living in different realities.
I have no idea if in person people like you and I would talk. In person I never meet people this confused and this adamant. So either you're semi trolling or you're a special class that I don't even interact with... And I live in the SF area and go to Berkeley often.
Prove it. Link it and let's see it.
Fauci himself said, I heard the interview myself, that while a young male is more likely to end up in the ER from a heart issue from the vaccine
Prove it, let's see the clip
If you can listen to what Fauci said about heart damage
Link it then
You think I care enough?
Nope. It doesn't exist. If it did you would have linked it.
I've seen this conversation play out a dozen times. Ask for evidence and the other person keeps replying but will do anything to never back up their claims. They thrash around, call the other person lazy, tell them to prove it for them, tell them they already proved it, insult them, but never a single link.
You think I care enough?
I think you care intensely. I think it is now part of your identity and admitting you believe in something that goes against all data and evidence is so painful you will lash out at anyone you can to avoid accepting the truth. I think you are terrified of admitting you're wrong.
You're the one that injected an untested novel profit driven substance into yourself several times and now seem to have made that your identity.
So much so that when given basically the exact search terms you need, you won't even attempt to go looking.
If I'm wrong, I suffered nothing. Hell, I still haven't managed to get covid. Oh wait, maybe I was one of those people with zero symptoms.
If you're wrong, well, who cares.
Getting covid its multiple times worse? 1.8 - 5 times worse.
So, safer to be vaccinated. Which is the whole point.
Being 'confused and adamant' is common around this topic.
I'm talking about a study that looked for the heart repair signals doctors look for after heart attacks and found that 1 in 35 had them 4 days after a booster.
Funny thing about science, if you want to stick your head in the sand you can say "hey, no one dies instantly from the vaccine! Science!"
Or you can think, conduct a clever test, and test everyone not just those clinging to their chest in pain, and find heart repair hormones in 1 in 35 people. Science?
Not supporting or condoning, just my perception of OP's comment