Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.
There are bans on Huawei telecom equipment, but their phones, tablets, smartwatches, etc are not banned and are readily available:
https://www.newegg.com/Huawei/BrandStore/ID-15388
https://www.amazon.com/stores/Huawei/page/34F6034C-1D34-4913...
That T3 10 is now over 6 years old, for example.
Still not legal for US companies to distribute Huawei phones, though.
Obviously they are imported, that's the point. They are imported Chinese phones. Amazon and Newegg are US companies distributing imported Chinese Huawei phones.
There is a ban on Huawei telecom equipment, and a ban on selling tech to Huawei, but show me where phones are banned.
"Imported" here only means that they crossed the border, not that they are being lawfully distributed in the US.
> Amazon and Newegg are US companies distributing imported Chinese Huawei phones.
Not true. Third party resellers are importing and selling some Huawei phones.
> ... show me where phones are banned.
Can you buy a Huawei phone from a retailer in the US? Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart? Or from a telecom? AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile?
Huawei and ZTE have also both been banned from getting FCC licenses. You could definitely buy a Huawei phone in the US, but it wouldn't be licensed by the FCC.
yes, I already shared the links.
https://www.amazon.com/HUAWEI-P60-Pro-MNA-LX9-Unlocked/dp/B0...
>Third party resellers are importing and selling some Huawei phones.
It is a distinction without a difference. I buy on Amazon, I pay on Amazon. They have a complicated supply chain with third party sellers, but it doesn't make them immune from import bans.
>Huawei and ZTE have also both been banned from getting FCC licenses.
Yes, that is true, but yet to see any citation of an ban on imports, sale, or use.
Amazon third party sellers work like Ebay.
You are suggesting that when you buy something off Ebay, it is Ebay the one selling you the stuff, which is clearly not true.
You could find things on Amazon that aren't licensed to be sold in the US. That doesn't make them suddenly "legal".
> Yes, that is true, but yet to see any citation of an ban on imports, sale, or use.
If they cannot get a FCC license, they cannot legally distribute or sell their phones in US soil. That's just FCC rules [0]
But I'm honestly not sure what you are trying to prove here.
For example, I recently bought a Japanese Sony gadget on Ebay. It has Bluetooth. It definitely does not have a FCC sticker, nor has been licensed by the FCC. I was able to buy it, but Sony is not allowed to sell it in the US.
Does the fact that I bought it from an US website, mean that Sony is effectively selling this gadget in the US? Of course not, that's ridiculous.
[0] https://www.fcc.gov/enforcement/areas/equipment-authorizatio....
Your comment: “Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.”
You were dead wrong. Just admit it, it’s not personal.
“Does the fact that I bought it from an US website, mean that Sony is effectively selling this gadget in the US? Of course not, that's ridiculous.”
You can’t be this naive. This is 2023 not 2001. Sanctioned companies selling through distributors has been around since sanctions. US laws have explicit rules around this and companies facilitating are themselves subject to sanctions.
Right. So you can illegally buy and sell stuff in the US. What a surprise.
> Your comment: “Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.”
Yes, that was indeed my comment.
Because the FCC will not issue new licenses to Huawei, and Huawei cannot sell their hardware in the US without such licenses.
This FCC document clearly states exactly what it's banning:
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389524A1.pdf
https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist
"Telecommunications equipment produced by Huawei Technologies Company, including telecommunications or video surveillance services provided by such entity or using such equipment."
Phones are a part of telecommunications equipment.
The term “telecommunications equipment” means equipment used by a carrier to provide telecommunications services, and includes software integral to such equipment (including upgrades).
I don't think that includes phones. That is routing/switching hardware and software. I.e., infrastructure equipment, not consumer devices.
Also, in the same paragraph, you can read that they explicitly mention “video surveillance services” as telecommunications equipment, which are terminals as well.
[0] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-90-133A1.pdf
edit: It's of course not Huawei, it's a totally new and different company which bought Huawei's server business a week after being founded, silly me.
Is that the case given that iPhones are manufactured in China?
My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials.
Also, China has the capability to spy on everyone and their government is morally worse so of course they are. Social credit, concentration camps, etc
It is a fact that certain US agencies required Blackberry or Android, rather than iOS on iPhone, for this reason.
There are a bunch that are CNSSP-11 compliant, though: https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Commercial-Solutions-for-Class...
It's not a hard breadcrumb trail to follow and i am also aghast at so many HN posters pontificating so strongly about nonsense
Banning iPhones because of Kaspersky incompetence protecting their corporate network? That is nonsense.
or to Pegasus ? When the OS runs everything it gets as a stream of bytes...