> The people that I know that own the means of production work extraordinarily hard.

This is not the point I'm making.

> Long-term disability insurance has nothing to do with whether you are an owner or a worker, but whether you make enough money to afford the insurance premium - - and you can earn that money either by salary or dividends (and their proxies).

Of course you can buy insurance, again, this is not the point I'm making, it's an analogy to the point of: do you depend on someone employing you, and paying you, to live (and have a meaningful life somehow)? You can only pay insurance if you are earning money, usually through a salary...

It's not a societal division, it's an economic division, and one that very much matters, more so every day. What happens when automation eliminates a job? The ownership class (who are making their money off of owning the means of production) get a massive boost to profits. Labor loses their livelihood.

You might be able to make a compelling argument that, as the people pushing that automation forward, high-paid software developers are class traitors, like cops. But cops are still working class, even if they're being paid to betray their own and others in their class's interests.

> It's meaningless in that it doesn't describe a societal division that actually matters. A retail worker making 40k a year is not going to identify with a highly paid software engineer. Their life stresses are worlds apart as is their level of financial security.

They won't but the software engineer should identify with the plights of the worker making 40k. That's the issue, quite a lot of SWEs and other high income professions see themselves as separate from the working class.

> You're the one trying to divide and conquer by pushing an abstract, out of touch political ideology that has resulted in the deaths of millions

I'm not pushing socialism, talking about class warfare does not mean I'm a communist, stop that line of thinking as you are assuming something I have not said. At no point in my comments I've mentioned communism or socialism, I use their terms since it's a good analysis of the powers of capital, that's all. This knee-jerk reaction to some terms is absolutely ridiculous and taints your comment, from that you derived I'm somehow a communist and your only retort is talking about "the deaths of millions" caused by it. Capitalism has also contributed to the death and injury of hundreds of millions. That's not the fucking point...

> Right back at you comrade!

"No, you" stops being a retort you can use by 4th grade, again I insist: be a better contributor to discussions, so far you haven't done much.