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Oh dear me looks like the OP desnt get out much if he think programmers drink a lot he shold hang out out with Civil engineers or Squaddies or goto a Political conference where you know your feeling your age when you can't stay in the bar till 4 go back to you room write three speaches and win your motions.

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That sounds like good (?) old-fashioned male competitiveness.

Only up to a point - an RSM (CSM) of my aquaintance commented on the use of drinking as a bonding mechanisiam commented "oh and the girls are much worse" :-)

There are far more important issues around Exclusion than liking a beer - how many Black (ie sub sharan descent) or Female programmers have you worked with for example.

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