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Which one of the unrelated systems did you mean?

Saying "unrelated" is begging the question.

According to you, the "right" is claiming recent immigration is related to the "violent gang crisis" mentioned, and the "left" is instead claiming that the privatization of the welfare system is related to said crisis.

Their argument is that the left wing side are responsible, and are incorrectly blaming social factors other than the mass immigration of third world refugees who are now creating a gang ridden hellscape in parts of Sweden, emulating their original homelands. That is not begging the question.

It is if you don't demonstrate the connection/causality.

Obviously the gangs are made up of those immigrants, not native ethnic Swedish people. With the assumption that all sides are painfully aware of that, the connection/causality is being demonstrated very clearly in Sweden today. That's what the article is showing. The argument is that the left side is being disingenuous.

Well, all right, if you don't demonstrate the correlation, or if it hasn't already been demonstrated. I'm not in Sweden, so it may be "obvious" to those on the scene. But to those who don't know the situation, the one word claim of "obviously" isn't very convincing, either.

Are there any statistics on crime rates in Sweden, broken down by immigrant vs. native?

As I said, I'm not there, and I don't disbelieve you. But evidence is better than "obviously".

Sorry I thought it was obvious. This has been a massive ongoing problem in Sweden for years since they opened the borders to a mass wave of immigration from hellscape African/Middle Eastern parts of the world in the 2010's. It has been in the news regularly for the past few years. Bad people exploited their ridiculous policy (not genuine refugees, just criminals and psychopaths) and they accepted hundreds of thousands of people without a filter.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/refugee-sta...

OK, that says that Sweden takes a lot of immigrants, but says nothing about crime.

But rather than just complain, I started looking, and I found https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_.... Which pretty much proves your point.

Yes it is easy to find all of this. Huge embarrassment and deeply regretful for Sweden.

Criminals saw a weakness and exploited it as hard as possible.

Same with the drug decriminalizing people- always blame something else when it goes wrong. Unable to consider maybe it was a bad idea

Regular politics. Some people wants more power via fear and chaos. Nothing new.

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