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You say "The attacks also proved that Israel's "containment" strategy has a massive flaw."

... and then go on to describe the containment strategy that they've tried since 2005.

The reality is that after Hamas' declaration of war, war was a terrible necessity.

The extent of that necessity will be debated until the end of time, but I haven't seen the large public outrage that you describe. Yes, there's plenty of it, but as a whole just as much understanding of Israel's position and why so many civilians in Gaza died in the bombings.

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The reality is that 3000 innocent children are dead. The reality is that many more innocent adults are dead. The reality is that almost a third of Palestinian housing is unlivable. The reality is that 2,000,000 people are now in a humanitarian crisis, due to IDF attacks.

You can waffle about if it was or wasn't necessary, but the end result is that Israel is, if nothing else, facing a massive blow to public and western support as a result of their response - a response which seems more punitive than effective. This is incredibly dangerous for Israel, and what they've done may have hurt them in the long term more than help them. The American invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan has some parallels....

I don't have all the answers, I just call it like I see it.

I'm not sure what you've added to your original comment

I don't think there was much more to add, tbh.

I dunno, in the end the solution to a lot of people hurt certainly isn’t a lot more people hurt. Which seems to be what is happening now.

> The reality is that 3000 innocent children are dead. The reality is that many more innocent adults are dead. The reality is that almost a third of Palestinian housing is unlivable. The reality is that 2,000,000 people are now in a humanitarian crisis, due to IDF attacks.

Do to Hamas attacks. If the IDF could avoid killing a single civilian they would, but we've seen how Hamas hides in schools, hospitals, and civilian housing.

What other country builds tunnels under hospitals and transports anti-tank missiles in a baby stroller? Google it!

So who is worse, the person that hides behind the innocent or the person that shoots through the innocent to kill them?

Obviously the person that hides behind the innocent. Are you supposed to not shoot at someone who’s shooting at you? No competent army on earth would make that choice.

No, it's not obvious at all.

I can think of a few ways they could have avoided, including a slower pace and more targeted strikes. But they didn't. And here's the thing: it kind of seems like the whole thing was a sick trap on the part of Hamas.

>What other country builds tunnels under hospitals and transports anti-tank missiles in a baby stroller? Google it!

It doesn't matter. More than twice the number of victims on 10/7 have died in Gaza, and they're all children. Four times if you include adults.

The best you can accuse Israel of with those kind of numbers is _incompetence_.

Like I said, a sick trap. And it looks like Israel fell for it. And now Israel, the dominant power in this conflict, gets to pay the price.

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