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Comment by agnosticmantis | Hacker News Reader

Holy mother of dark patterns!

The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.)

Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”?

* From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

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There's even a "dark pattern" with the quoted 0-60 times. They've subtracted the rollout only on the fastest model to make the gap between it and the mid-spec model appear larger (notice the asterisk only on the top spec car's 0-60 time). Not the first time they've done this either, they've done the same thing with the Plaid Model S specs before.

I don't really care about the debate over whether subtracting rollout is legitimate - it's just very silly the 0-60 measurement methodology isn't consistent across all three models on the page.

They do it on the Model 3 as well. The Model 3 Performance is 1Ft rollout (3.1s) but the Dual Motor Long Range is not. Car and driver tested it to 3.99 when Tesla says ~4.2s

At least the lying is in the slow direction rather than the fast direction.

No, its the same direction again. The 3.99 achieved by car and driver is for the dual motor mid range car, which tesla quote at 4.2. Tesla quote the top spec Performance at 3.1 seconds to 60 with roll out subtraction only on the fastest car again.

Car and Driver however also subtract rollout in their tests, so again its not a valid comparison to the 4.2 figure from Tesla with rollout included, making things even more confusing here.

From the announced US$39K to US$61K, plus two more years of delivery slip for the base model?

By the time it ships, Toyota should be shipping solid state batteries and Tesla's battery technology will be obsolete.

From the guy who predicted COVID would be over in two weeks.

I don't think you can trust his predictions. He doesn't have a great record with that.

There is a $7.5k tax credit which definitely counts as savings. The gas savings are more speculative, and it's debatable if that's reasonable to count (many people compare lifetime cost of ownership when making a car purchase though).

just select the "Purchase price" tab at the top? not every marketing gimmick is a dark pattern

I mean, if the prices listed involve some sort of magic math by default..that is a dark pattern.

>not every marketing gimmick is a dark pattern

Gimmick sounds equivalent to dark pattern to me.

>A device employed to cheat, deceive, or trick, especially a mechanism for the secret and dishonest control of gambling apparatus.

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