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Gosh I am so happy to have like the best senator in the senate next to Bernie Sanders in Oregon.

Oregon is an extremely based state. Y'all crap on PDX but the reality is that we have more freedom and less tyranny here than in any other state in the nation, and possibly in the world. PDX is "bad" because it's one of the only places in the world that hated the cops enough to actually muzzle them - and not living in fear of the boot is worth needing to deal with homeless people.

Want to smoke weed? Check (lowest prices in the world). Want to do psychedelics? (functionally legalized) Check. Want to shoot guns? (relatively lax gun laws for a blue state) Check. Want to not be spied on? As check as Ron Wyden can make it!

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> Want to shoot guns? (relatively lax gun laws for a blue state)

Your DA is determined to destroy this right by spending tax dollars appealing 114 until they find a judge who agrees with them.

Yeah it sucks, but I care the least about it tbh.

It's been my experience that you'll probably start caring after it's too late.

> Want to smoke weed?

The tyranny of the masses is still a tyranny. I'd personally like to move to a state where all smoking, but at least weed smoking, is illegal. I really don't like second hand smoke, especially when it smells and hangs as much as weed smoke does.

It's already not legal to smoke in public for weed and in most places for cigarettes. Frankly I don't think outright prohibition addresses that any better than the existing system. Nor do I see how having bodily autonomy is necessarily a tyranny of the masses.

In all seriousness, Utah sounds like your ideal so long as you stay outside of Salt Lake City. I'm glad to no longer be a resident

> Nor do I see how having bodily autonomy is necessarily a tyranny of the masses.

When it intrudes upon the bodily autonomy of others (e.g. second hand smoke, which I am constantly facing and suffering from in the Bay Area).

Outdoors?

> Utah sounds like your ideal

Not enough trees. Nor enough employment in my non-remoteable field.

Public smoking is a concern, but the smoke will leak even if smoked inside of a home. With edibles and inhalers I don't understand why people thought it was a good idea to legalize marijuana smoking.

> Nor do I see how having bodily autonomy is necessarily a tyranny of the masses.

Generalizing the principle of the swinging your fists near someone else's nose saying.

Your sense of smell is subjective, and not a good reason for legislation.

You do know that, right? I'm not detecting any humour markers...

> Your sense of smell is subjective, and not a good reason for legislation.

Wish it stopped at just the smell.

Second hand weed is harmful.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-w...

Being able to smell from the outside that someone is smoking inside their home is not "second hand smoking". You'd need to be in the same room as them to get the necessary level of exposure.

False. That perfectly fits the definition of second hand smoking.

https://www.lung.org/policy-advocacy/tobacco/smokefree-envir...

https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-can-i-do-abo...

https://no-smoke.org/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-fact-sheet/

Second hand

When did the goalposts move from 'smelling cannabis in the air should be banned' to 'prolonged second hand smoke in the same room at cannabis dispensary levels has an effect on your blood vessels if you're a mouse'?

Compare that with your zero cited sources.

Cool do you have better studies? If so, please share!

I await with bated breath (due to the nasty smoke both physically and here on HN).

Whatever happened to "Trust the Science^TM" with marijuana?

I don't agree with that. If blasting music can be a matter for legislation (nuisance laws and the like), then so can bothering people around you with the reek of smoking weed.

As mentioned, there are already laws around smoking in public.

OP is complaining that he might get a whiff coming from his neighbors house.

I recently visited Manhattan and walked many miles touring it. The smell was in many places, with people smoking out in public. It is offensive and rude.

> It is offensive and rude.

If you take one of the world's most popular pastimes that personally, and want it legislated against on that basis, I have no time for your arguments.

Like - Manhattan. Yeah, you're gonna smell cannabis in Manhattan. It doesn't matter the tiniest bit what the laws are; you're gonna smell it. It's not something to take as a personal insult, and it's wild you insist that it is.

Anyway, weren't we talking about a serious issue? Like, is this why Americans are ok with all the domestic spying - they're too worried about sniffing a reefer on the wind? Ugh.

> If you take one of the world's most popular pastimes that personally, and want it legislated against on that basis, I have no time for your arguments.

Many popular activities are expected to be done where they do not impact others. In my local park, a man was arrested for masturbating in public, certainly a popular activity.

> It doesn't matter the tiniest bit what the laws are; you're gonna smell it.

Over the course of the last few decades, I smell it more in Manhattan and in many other places where it has been legalized. Apparently laws do matter. Not that I want any laws against it. I would just prefer that people not be assholes about it.

I did not interpret such sociopathic behavior as a "personal insult".

As for the more serious issue, I did not take the thread here. I replied to your comment, "OP is complaining that he might get a whiff coming from his neighbors house." I pointed out that one does not need to enter someone's house in order to be forced to inhale their smoke.

https://www.greenstate.com/explained/where-is-it-legal-to-sm...

> In a few states, however, public consumption is completely tolerated or allowed in licensed lounges and designated areas.

And the laws as is make it easy for people to lie to the police about exactly where they were when they were smoking the weed.

Because that doesn’t matter and this is a useless argument.

> Your sense of smell is subjective, and not a good reason for legislation.

You do understand that many tort suits, and outright laws, are over subjective harms, right? (trash in neighbors yards, loud sounds late at night, smells from chemical industries, etcetera) That laws such as disability protection laws exist?

https://www.chemicalsensitivityfoundation.org/index.html

... None of your examples are like for like.

Lots of people love the smell of cannabis. No one loves "trash in neighbors yards, loud sounds late at night, smells from chemical industries".

Arguing in bad faith is lame dude.

Blatantly ignoring harms of secondhand weed is more lame:

Second hand weed is harmful. https://www.uclahealth.org/news/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-w...

I'm getting a 404 on this.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-w...

> trash in neighbors yards

There are entire messy neighborhoods.

> loud sounds late at night

People sleep at different times of the day.