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I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to Fedora or something.

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You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well.

I've also noticed that if you build the ISO yourself via UUP dump[1], instead of using the official ISO from Microsoft, then you get a bare start menu with no bloatware or ads, just Explorer and Edge. Nice.

[1] https://uupdump.net/

> You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well.

Oh, because the update button in the settings says my hardware does not meet the requirements.

I meant if you do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check.

Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button obviously doesn't work (unless there's some hacks for it that came out, I don't know I always do a clean install between major versions since I don't want all the years of cruft and changes from one version to be carried over and maybe mess up something).

> Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button > do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check

I'll have backup my stuff before a clean install then, not ready yet but thanks for the guide! I'll do it when I get the time.

BTW, IIRC if you go the UUP dump route, then you should also be able to run the windows 11 installer directly from windows 10 after you mount the generated ISO so maybe you can indeed run the update instead of clean install. I did the update that way on a tablet, but that had TPM but no official Windows 11 support.

Some third party userspace apps may still silently crash due to missing TPM.

Like which apps?

> You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well.

The article says that if you don't buy a new computer with TPM 2.0 then you have to migrate to "the cloud" in order to use Windows 11. What the flip is a Cloud PC? How much a panopticon for spying will that make my daily life working in PuTTY?

Just run it anyway? Even 23H2 works on an old Intel i5-6500 I put it on for shits and giggs. Had to download an “enablement package” to get it to upgrade in-place from 22H2 but there’s a big community of people doing this and it was as difficult as “click this link which downloads the exe direct from Microsoft.”

You can run Win11 on non-compliant hardware. Check out Rufus.

Can vouch for this option. Works reliably but still worth disconnecting internet to make sure local account creation is easily available.

That won't do it any more. Now you have to invoke a command prompt on setup and run some commands to bypass online account requirement. Until they close that loophole also. Absolute turd of an OS. In only have it on a separate partition for games that wont run on Proton.

Setup /product server

i'm hanging to w10 too and plan on switching to linux

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 having the option to ungroup tasks removed. I heard the rumor they would bring it back one day, but this day hasn't arrived yet.

This arrived a couple months ago.

Do you have any source for that? Because I check every update my org rolls out and it still hasn't arrived on my Desktop. I only heard a rumor a few months ago they enabled in some development preview so hopefully it will go mainstream one day.

EDIT: it seems it's half-baked:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11s-...

And we all know this a limit made on purpose (by a marketing team?). They probably could use this additional hardware everytime it's available on new PCs and allow a kind of legacy mode for Windows 11 on old PCs. But hey, some marketing genius came up with the idea to sell Windows 10 ESU (Extended Security Updates) membership to end consumers this time.

Windows 11's hardware requirements were made to coincide with CPU's that had hardware mitigation for Meltdown and Spectre attacks, as part of their attempt to push the general baseline of security for average users

I've seen this argument from Ms a lot but let's be real, of the ways typical home windows users are compromised spectre isn't a thing, and isn't hasn't done a thing about, for example, how readily windows let's attackers make a script look like an image .

But I couldn't possibly care less about Meltdown and Spectre. It's not clear why anyone does, unless they are running a cloud provider.

In fact, history suggests that the malicious actor who is most likely to hose my PC or otherwise interfere with my workflow is.... Microsoft.

And a lot of other users "couldn't possibly care less" about downloading MP3.EXE files off Limewire

other users today "couldn't possibly care less" about keeping their systems updated let alone running any kind of Anti-Virus

Unfortunately throwing its hands up and saying "nobody cares so why bother" isn't really a great look for a software vendor

Show me a single Meltdown or Spectre exploit that has affected real users.

Can't? Then you're just selling tiger-proof rocks. Expensive ones.

"Everything is working, what do I even pay you for!"

Also meant to call out the irony of your "MP3.EXE" example earlier. Whose bright idea was it to use DOS-era file extensions to drive executable functionality, then hide those extensions from the user by default? That would be Microsoft. The bad guys just took advantage of their lack of actual cybersecurity horse sense.

The paranoid stupidity surrounding forced Spectre and Meltdown mitigations, whose carbon footprint is probably getting close to that of Bitcoin at this point, is just another example.

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