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Unpopular opinion: I like Win11 (that district which is bloatware-lite) and running shutup10 to fully uninstall Cortana, ShatGPT, and disable the extra sneaky telemetry and privacy nightmares… can’t complain.

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The fact that you have to de-bloat and strip the telemetry is really at odds with saying Win11 is a "good" operating system.

Enjoy things that are bad, nothing wrong with that, but don't try to convince that they're actually good.

You've had to debloat Windows for multiple versions now. The argument isn't Windows vs Linux here. It's windows 10 vs 11.

No, the argument was whether Win11 is "good" or not - that's independent of whether Win10 is "good" (or better), or whether some flavor of Linux is better than either one.

The article isn't very critical of Windows 11. It simply points out that many consumers didn't feel like it was a compelling upgrade if it meant upgrading their computer as well. Then you have the usual inertia with Windows. This isn't the first time Microsoft has put out a less than compelling upgrade.

As a rule of thumb, every second release is a turd. Windows 8 was a turd. Windows 10 was quite good. Windows 11 seems to walk, talk, and smell like a turd.

>> fully uninstall Cortana

>> disable the extra sneaky telemetry and privacy nightmares

Does that require a rinse and repeat at every monthly Windows Update?

Win11 has lots of handy features, the font rendering is better than win10 which makes things very nice. The only thing that really ticks me off is the toolbar, but theres many replacements to fix that issue.

You really shouldn't need to run replacements which, from an OS perspective, mean that there's a critical UI / UX failing.

Eh you’ll never satisfy everyone. Every major OS has UI tweak tools available from third parties

I too like windows 11. From a UX perspective it's much better than Windows 10. Chop out the unnecessary bits and it's a solid contender.

What makes Win11 bad is precisely those unnecessary bits, though. Sure, Win11 is perfectly fine if you take the time to de-crapify it. But the point is that your OS should not come with crapware out of the box! Windows used to not need that, and there's no excuse for MS adding all the consumer hostile crap they have added in recent years.

In practice, for most people who had an OEM install, it did. Now the crapware is standard, which makes automated removal tools viable. This is an improvement over googling processes you didn't recognize to see if it had an uninstaller.

There are a lot of improvements in 11, but for me, the bad outweighs the good. My primary computer is a Mac, but my primary Windows machine runs 7 and I have 10 and 11 in VMs only for testing.

> shutup10

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