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I'm pretty sure the reason there was the free internet access being give to Ukraine was conditional on it being used for defence only and not offence. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

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What is the difference between defense and offense when you are fighting against an invading army occupying ~20% of your country? Is it "offense" if you attempt to push them out?

It's offence when you leave your border on go over into another country. But either way, doesn't matter what I think, it's what Elon Musk thinks as he was giving them the starlink access for free.

The international consensus is that Crimea is Ukrainian territory. Also, Musk wasn't giving it to them for free. The US was paying for it.

Consensus doesn’t change the fact the enemy has occupied that territory. Isn’t so hard to grok why you Musk wouldn’t open internet on there, esp without explicit DOD authorization.

The enemy is ALWAYS occupying any territory that they are on. It isnt like they are on vaccation. So with that logic it couldnt be used for any defence purposes that kills the invaders.

It's no different from the limits on use of HIMARS in UKr

HIMARS can be used in Crimea because Crimea is part of Ukraine. US govt recognise Crimea as Ukraine. It is only Elon that denies that Crimea is part of Ukraine.

Comment depth exceeded, but by your logic we should also send weapons and aid to crimea..?

US didn't pay for anything before April 2022 after Kyiv was freed.

Mariupol had starlink, it doesn't today. Can you guess why?

Everyone except russians agree that crimea is inside Ukraine. Do you not recognize that Crimea is part of Ukraine?

Mariupol

Offensive operations are integral to achieving military strategy, including defenses. Passively defending has always been used to create conditions favorable to resuming offensive operations because only offensive operations get things done. Militarily, "defensive operations" include attacking the enemy

the defence/offence line is pretty blurred... What with 99+% of the kills by the US Department of Defence being on other peoples soil...

It used to be called the Department of War. The "Department of Defense" name came about in 1949 for PR reasons. Also, "PR" is an American propaganda term which means "propaganda".

Isn’t it public relations?

PR expands to public relations, which is a euphemism for propaganda. Propaganda was rebranded in America after WW2 because people associated the term with Nazis.

https://theconversation.com/the-manipulation-of-the-american...

That really says more about America than it does the blurred lines between offence and defence :)

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